RE: individual submission Last Call -- default yes/no.

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Vernon Schryver wrote:

[some lines re-wrapped]

vs> Please credit some of us with understanding the meaning of 
vs> "escalate" in the intended sense of "evoke to an authority that 
vs> will issue a writ of mandamus."

*I* certainly did not intend such a meaning.  Maybe I used the wrong 
word; if so I apologise.  I meant something along the lines of 
"refer".  My understanding of the purpose of the IETF/W3C Liaison 
group is, precisely, liaison over issues of importance to both the 
IETF and the W3C.  There can be differences of emphasis in the two 
groups, due to the different (though, I hope, complementary) nature 
of the work being done by both.  For example, the W3C is very 
concerned about the longevity of data and metadata.  I don't know 
what is the prevailing IETF position, but quite a few of the 
contributors to the langtags discussion have treated longevity of 
data and metadata as being of no importance (cf the debate over how 
to handle changes to ISO 3166 Codes for the Names of Countries).  I 
consider this to be a fundamental issue.

vs> Other words in Mr. Wolf's message including "any course of 
vs> action which would cause a parting of the ways" were not lacking 
vs> in forcefulness.

Indeed.  It would, self-evidently, be bad for the Internet were 
these various standards bodies not able to agree on a common course 
of action.  The danger of such an outcome requires forceful language.

vs> Then there was the awesome list of authorities that the IETF 
vs> list members is ignoring at its peril.
vs> See http://www1.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/ietf/current/msg33563.html

Ignoring at its peril?  I was simply demonstrating that standards 
bodies and individuals with long and respected track records have 
been involved for some years in the langtags work.  I was responding 
to mails which claimed that there is no support for this work.

vs> When I read Mr. Wolf's message the first time, I was reminded of 
vs> an IETF slogan about rejecting kings and presidents as well as 
vs> ancient friction between the DDN protocol designers and users 
vs> and the ISO.

I see.  The IETF embodies participation and democracy and all other 
standards groups are the preserves of hierarchical posturing?  An 
interesting point of view.

--
Misha Wolf
Standards Manager
Chief Architecture Office
Reuters





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