> From: ietf-languages-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ietf-languages- > bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of John C Klensin > I'd like > to suggest that everyone voluntarily declare a cooling-off > period... > Please don't try to > answer that question today, especially on the IETF list. I'll respect that request. I'll only comment that I think both you and Kristin failed to identify where the real dichotomies lies. For instance, your second suggestion was to think about the contradiction between the two positions, but in fact the supporters of the draft would describe their position as involving elements of both of the two opposing positions in your analysis. Some of those who have raised concerns with the draft have expressed frustration at not being heard, which is a reasonable complaint, and I have made a real attempt to understand those concerns. (E.g. the last sequences of exchanges between Ned and me; and my acknowledgment of comments you've made wrt process and WGs.) Please understand that there may also be frustration for supporters of the draft from a perception that their position is not being understood, which may result for instance from analyses of the opposing views that really don't capture their position at all. For my part, I won't say I'm frustrated by the analysis you gave; just disappointed that I haven't been able to get us closer to the place where we agree on what the dichotomies are, which I had hoped to do. Peter Constable _______________________________________________ Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf