Kindly me from the list would be appreicated -----Original Message----- From: ietf-bounces@xxxxxxxx [mailto:ietf-bounces@xxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Harald Tveit Alvestrand Sent: Monday, December 06, 2004 3:27 PM To: Brian E Carpenter; Scott Bradner Cc: joel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx; ietf@xxxxxxxx Subject: Re: Adminrest: section 3.5b (appealability) --On mandag, desember 06, 2004 10:39:27 +0100 Brian E Carpenter <brc@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > Scott Bradner wrote: >> Harald sez: >> if "decisions of the IAOC can be appealed" rather reads: >> ---------------------------------------------------------- >> If someone believes that the IAOC has violated the IAOC rules and >> procedures, he or she can ask the IETF leadership to investigate the >> matter, using the same procedure as is used for appeals of procedural >> issues in the IETF, starting with the IESG. >> >> If the IESG, IAB or the ISOC BoT find that procedures are violated, >> they may advise the IAOC, but does not have authority to overturn or >> change a decision. >> >> this sort of wording halps deal with the worry I had in that an appeal >> will not stop the IETF from working and restricts the appeals to >> those that relate to violating "rules and procedures" and does not >> support the idea of allowing an appeal of a decision to hire >> a particular vendor just because someone did not like the vendor >> or thought they could do something cheaper > > True, but it still leaves the field rather open - are you sure we > shouldn't > include a limitation to matters affecting the standards process? I am pretty sure I wouldn't want that limitation - since the IAOC's only business is supporting the standards process, it's not clear that there is anything the IAOC can do that can't be constructed as affecting the standards process. There are cases (instance off the top of my head: IAOC failing to make its decisions public) that would (IMHO) qualify for appeals, and where it would not be possible to tell whether this affects the standards process directly or not before correcting the first problem. And remember - in the text above, the only power the appeals bodies has is to make a rather public statement that the IAOC has overstepped its rules. That limits the power of an appeal as a DoS attack on the IAOC - it's up to the appealed-to bodies to make sure they don't get a DoS attack..... Harald _______________________________________________ Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf _______________________________________________ Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf