Carl Malamud wrote:
Carl asks:
how about
<section title="Community Consensus and Grant of Authority">
<t>
The IETF is a consensus-based group and authority to act on behalf
of the community is an act that requires a high degree of consensus
and the continued consent of the community
After a careful process of deliberation, there is a broad-based
community consensus to house the IETF Administrative & Support
Activities (IASA) within the Internet Society, which is reflected
in this Best Current Practice (BCP) RFC.</t>
<t>
Termination and change. Any change to this agreement shall require
a similar level of community consensus and deliberation and shall
be reflected by a subsequent Best Current Practice (BCP) RFC.
</t>
</section>
I think that is fine but I don't think it addresses quite the issue
I was talking about - Klensin's "Blowing the bolts" posting is
closer to the issue - a number of people seem to want a
principle that the AdminRest should structure the IASA and its
accounts (such as a seperate bank account) in such a way to
enable fast bolt blowing - I think that your 2nd pp is closer to
mechanism than principle but I do not know how to formulate the
principle (the logic in Klensin's posting aside).
FWIW, IMHO, YMMV, I think if the ietf community has selected the
isoc as their program manager for ietf admin&support activities,
you don't need much more than the above and perhaps a few statements
indicating the principles of being able to identify where money goes.
If people want seperate bank accounts, that takes one sentence.
In other words, this is getting way too complicated for a pretty
simple idea: ISOC as program manager, the program management in a
seperate "division," and a degree of autonomy for the managers
and oversight group.
The "termination" clause clause may be mechanism, but it is a pretty
general mechanism. I really think that level of detail is much better
than trying to spell out too many of the corner cases at great length.
If people don't like how things are going in the future, the
"get a new bcp through the process" seems to handle pretty much
any eventuality. I suppose we could do the "and we get to take our
money with us" prenup, but that money is going to be raised by
ISOC, so claiming it as an ietf dowry being held for future
marriage proposals is a little bit strange.
Bottom line for me: this doesn't need to be this complicated.
If we want ISOC as our program manager, then let's just do it.
A lot of thought went into that decision and we should be
supporting the efforts by Bert and Rob to figure out a simple way
to state this ... there is way too much armchair editing. $0.02.
Correct. If we explicitly have mutually agreed principles that the
money is transparently accounted, that it is dedicated to IETF
purposes, and that IPR belongs to the IETF (with lawyers checking
the wording) then the ability to blow the bolts will actually reduce
to a couple of sentences in an MOU.
Brian
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