carl@xxxxxxxxx (Carl Malamud) writes: > How about: > > <section title="Community Consensus and Grant of Authority"> > <t> > The IETF is a consensus-based group and authority to act on behalf > of the community is an act that requires a high degree of consensus add "and transparency" here plz. > and the continued consent of the community > After a careful process of deliberation, there is a broad-based > community consensus to house the IETF Administrative & Support > Activities (IASA) within the Internet Society, which is reflected > in this Best Current Practice (BCP) RFC.</t> > <t> > Termination and change. Any change to this agreement shall require > a similar level of community consensus and deliberation and shall > be reflected by a subsequent Best Current Practice (BCP) RFC. > </t> > </section> > > A termination clause is standard in any agreement and this one simply > says "if you want to change this, get another bcp through the process." > This doesn't address the "and we want to take our money with us" issue, > but I believe that could be addressed elsewhere or not addressed at > all. Either way works for me. any way you can work a "sunshine law" in will work for me. i'm concerned about the ways in which ietf has acted "in my name" WITHOUT my consent or knowledge. i know from private responses to my previous threads on that topic that i'm not alone, not even rare, in having that concern. if a small band of "us" wishes to act in a leadership capacity, take responsibility for forward progress, choose and manage an administrator, and represent "our" position in discussions with meatspace government, then by i insist upon knowing more about "their" deliberations and decisions and actions than has ever been made public in the history of "the ietf". we can start by making "transparency" a first class object, right up there with "consensus" -- even though by most definitions you cannot have consensus without transparency, in ietf we have absolutely separated them and so we have to explicitly reinstate one. -- Paul Vixie _______________________________________________ Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf