Oh dear! I did actually say I am already conducting a survey! And yes it is about IP not just about IPv6 or IPv4. I hope that this survey will be one of several initiatives to help us better understand IP layer transformations and get us away from the current spate of opinion to an evidential based analysis. The link to the User survey is here for those interested: It is for UK based users only. "The IPv6 Task Force www.uk.ipv6tf.org is holding a survey aimed to provide key metrics to aid development of Internet Protocol policy in the UK. The survey site at http://www.questionpro.com/akira/TakeSurvey?id=186246 " If people wish to participate or review the full survey please drop me a note off list for a password. I have also organised an ISP survey with the LINX (London Internet Exchange) membership. I also agree with Eliot that this thread has clearly gone as far as it is going to go now. thanks Christian -----Original Message----- From: Peter Ford [mailto:peterf@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: 22 November 2004 07:30 To: Christian de Larrinaga; ietf@xxxxxxxx Subject: RE: How the IPnG effort was started Run a market survey and you will find out why people buy these NAT devices. It shouldn't be that hard, you can hire one of many consumer research firms to do that kind of quantative research for you. While you are at it, you might ask if they know about TCP/IP, and what they know about the 4th version of IP. I suspect people understand IP just about as much as they understand the nature of powerline transmission or the nature of AC electricity. It is probably a hallmark of success of an infrastructure that "it is just there". You are of course correct that I am most likely overstating the reasons people purchase NATs, and I am certainly dating myself. I suspect a more recent survey will reveal that people get NATs as a side product of purchasing wifi connectivity. regards, peterf _______________________________________________ Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf