I concur. Thank you, Shannal L. Thomas Operations IT Architect Phone Number: 9046335847 Mobile Number: 9046084478 Pager Number: 9044336333 mailto:Shannal_Thomas@xxxxxxx -----Original Message----- From: ietf-bounces@xxxxxxxx <ietf-bounces@xxxxxxxx> To: Eric A. Hall <ehall@xxxxxxxxx>; Christian de Larrinaga <cdel@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> CC: Noel Chiappa <jnc@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; ietf@xxxxxxxx <ietf@xxxxxxxx>; Peter Ford <peterf@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Sun Nov 21 18:36:50 2004 Subject: Re: How the IPnG effort was started At 21:31 21/11/2004, Eric A. Hall wrote: >My feeling is that there has to be a group effort to change this, and it >needs across-the-board cooperation. VCs need to be shown that >bidirectional reachability is in their ultimate interest, in that it opens >the door for new technologies and products. Small carriers need to be >convinced that providing lots of addresses to each user won't bankrupt >them or make them non-competitive (probably the place where government has >the most to contribute in this whole thing is underwriting loans against >IPv6 equipment in SOHO ISPs). Edge gear that provides NAT technology also >needs to support v6 technolgy, and so does edge gear that doesn't. It >needs to be a lot easier to get private routable space so that small orgs >aren't implicitly forced to use NATs. Etcetera. Full agreement with this. You can equate it for the average internet user to "there is a new internet, this is what it provides the old internet did not provide, make sure that your next purchases are compatible with the new internet". The new features list must be appealing and true. "IPv6 = IPv4 with larger addresses" does not make a new Internet. So either the IETF drops the issue, either the IETF defines a new internet, or the IETF does as Harald said: it bundles a precise desription of what IPv6 does and does not do and transfers the IPv6 product to people who will use it to build a new internet for the users. But the more the IETF keeps talking of IPv6, the more it delays its possible acceptance by the public. The last 10 years since the IETF started discussing IPv6 14 years ago show it may continue for ever otherwise. jfc _______________________________________________ Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf _______________________________________________ Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf