This was down at the end of a long post, but everybody in this discussion should see it. Paul Vixie <paul@xxxxxxx>: > as much as i hate to be seen agreeing with mr. raymond, who has > inaccurately characterized both his own representative powers and the > minority status of those views of mine he does not share, there is one > grain of truth to what he has said here of late. standards will be > open, and ietf's choice is not whether standards will be open (that > being foregone), but whether ietf will continue to be the place where > these open standards are defined. "open" in this context requires > actual and passionate adherence to, and not just the mouthing of the > slogans for, process transparency, unbiased decision making, and > technological superiority. Correct. IETF's choices reduce to working wholeheartedly with the rest of the open-source community or watching history pass it by. This has now been noted by somebody who is a lot closer to the center of the IETF cloud than I am. Will this be sufficient to wake up others? I hope so. -- <a href="http://www.catb.org/~esr/";>Eric S. Raymond</a> _______________________________________________ Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf