somebody asked me... > What is your position on these issues then? i think that anyone who comments on the mailing list, or in WG meeting minutes, or as a draft author, should have to disclose any relevant IPR of which they are then aware or of which they become subsequently aware, whether or not such awareness is due to prospective benefit by them, or their employers, or their heirs or assigns. i also think contributors to ietf specifications, whether verbally, or in e-mail forums, or as authors, should have to quit-claim any relevant IPR except that which they have disclosed in advance of a draft being submitted to the RFC editor. i think that the ensuing ietf-isoc-malamud hairball should pay for IPR searches of all final-drafts before they reach the RFC editor, to get some kind of reasonable belief that all relevant IPR has in fact been disclosed, even though no warranties as to IPR should be expressed or implied. if working groups want a standard to use protected IPR, their only responsibility is to ensure that all IPR claims are properly disclosed. if implementors want to build products on a standard that uses protected IPR, they should be able to read the IPR legend in the RFC and make an informed business decision as to whether they like what they see. _______________________________________________ Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf