> How can we not adopt some manner of "open source" attitude, Paul? That > has been the basic methodology of the IETF for some time. Otherwise, we > would be paying for every DNS lookup. well, i am not the expert on this, but the discussion has to do with IPR and change control being transferred to IETF as a side effect of the publication of drafts and rfc's. historically there have been at least two approaches: (1) demand IPR surrender; (2) require IPR disclosure. in the second (and i believe, current) situation, draft authors are required to state their IPR terms, and RFC readers can infer whatever they like from the absence of surrender. margaret is saying that sometimes the IPR can be contested by someone other than the author, and later than RFC publication, through no fault of anybody's. eric is saying that the previous situation whereby a draft author surrendered the IPR before RFC publication was better. various others have said "but what if the IPR terms try to distinguish between commercial and noncommercial?" my observations are (1) there are ways to do "open source" without this distinction, and (2) authors cannot be expected warrant their IPR surrender in any case. it's a lot more complicated than whether you have to pay for DNS lookups. re: > > > ... > > > The open-source community figured out by about 1997-1998 that there is no > > > way to discriminate between "commercial" and "noncommercial" activity > > > that does not create fatal uncertainties about who has what rights at > > > what times. When you add the problems of mixing software with licenses > > > having *different versions* of such a distinction the downside gets even > > > worse. > > > > > > Thus, the licensing guidelines of both the OSI and FSF forbid attempts at > > > this. > > > > This only matters if you intend to limit redistribution. The older BSD > > licenseware limits only liability, not redistribution, and thus doesn't > > care about details like commerce. This could be a lesson for IETF if we > > really are going to address IPR issues in the boilerplate by adopting any > > kind of "open source" attitude. > > -- > > Paul Vixie > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ietf mailing list > > Ietf@xxxxxxxx > > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf > > > > sleekfreak pirate broadcast > http://sleekfreak.ath.cx:81/ > _______________________________________________ Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf