[Last-Call] Re: Opsdir last call review of draft-ietf-pim-light-08

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Hi Susan

Thank you for the comments!

I cleaned up the editorial issues in version 9.

With regards to the technical issue

1) How do I detect if the PLI interface is misconfigured or has an error in the following cases:
a) DR election error
HB> this is done in the PIM domain and is none relevant to the PLI. So PLI won't detect any errors as it is not aware of the DR Election. This is explained in section 3.2.2
b) packet duplication
HB> multicast in general is not aware of packet duplication, we have a lot of issues in multicast for multicast Fast reroute that packet duplication is a problem and there is no way to detect this, only application can deal with packet duplication issues.
c) unexpected repeated drops
HB> Sorry not following this, mostly likely this is implementation where stats need to tell why the packets are dropped. i.e. miss configuration. 
d) failures in PIM domains.
HB> this is taken care of by multicast route withdraw if there is a failure in PIM domain. So the prune message will update the PIM light domain as well. Nothing new here.


Thanks
Hooman
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Reviewer: Susan Hares
Review result: Has Issues

Summary Statement:
I'm pleased to see this work combining PIM domains and Bier domains.
The one technical issue is how operators tell if things go wrong.


Technical Issue:  This is one document that needs a manageability section.
Can you include answers to the following question an operator might ask before deployment?

1) How do I detect if the PLI interface is misconfigured or has an error in the following cases:
a) DR election error
b) packet duplication
c) unexpected repeated drops
d) failures in PIM domains.

Editorial issues:
1. Section 3.2.2, paragraph 2, sentences 1, and 2.
Error: Run-on sentence with errors in comma usage

Old text:/
   For instance, in a BIER domain connecting two PIM networks, a PLI can
   be used between BIER edge routers solely for multicast state
   communication, transmitting only PIM Join/Prune messages.  To prevent
   multicast stream duplication, PIM routers on either side of the BIER
   domain should establish PIM adjacency as per [RFC7761] to ensure DR
   election at the edge of BIER domain, as an example DR election
   between router D and F in above figure. /

New text:/
   For instance, in a BIER domain connecting two PIM networks, a PLI can
   be used between BIER edge routers solely for multicast state
   communication and transmit only PIM Join/Prune messages.  To prevent
   multicast stream duplication, PIM routers on either side of the BIER
   domain should establish PIM adjacency as per [RFC7761] to ensure DR
   election at the edge of BIER domain. An example of this DR election
   could be DR election between router D and F in above figure./

2. Section 3.3, sentence 2, lack of logic clarity

If the PLI is enabled on an interface and Join/Prune message arrive, what other options exist except to process the message or to drop the message?
If there are others, then this sentence needs to be changed.

3. section 3.4 paragraph 3, starting In another example, grammar error.

Old text:/
   In another example, if PLI is configured automatically, as an example
   in BIER case, when the downstream BIER Edge Router (DBER) is no
   longer reachable, the upstream BIER Edge Router (UBER) which is also
   a PIM Light Router can prune the <S,G> advertised toward the source
   on the PIM domain to stop the transmission of the multicast stream./

 The commas and the run-on sentence make this paragraph unclear.
 Due to the text's unclear nature, I cannot understand the technical point.

4. Section 3.5, paragraph 4, sentence 1, wrong use of active verb (lacking)

Old text:/
   PIM Light lacking Hello messages, the PLI can be configured with the
   Connection ID IPv4 or IPv6 addresses used to establish the SCTP or
   TCP connection. /

New text:

   PIM Light lacks Hello messages, the PLI can be configured with the
   Connection ID IPv4 or IPv6 addresses used to establish the SCTP or
   TCP connection./



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