Hi Janos, all,
Thank you for taking care of this.
I have one comment on the LS, I suggest we tag this as “Purpose: for action”, not “Purpose: for information” as currently proposed in the link below.
I don’t know when these groups (3GPP in particular) are meeting, but it would be fair to set a deadline that will be aligned with their schedules. I trust LS
coordinators have more visibility on this.
Cheers,
Med
De : Janos Farkas <Janos.Farkas@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Envoyé : jeudi 31 octobre 2024 23:16
À : Pascal Thubert <pascal.thubert@xxxxxxxxx>; BOUCADAIR Mohamed INNOV/NET <mohamed.boucadair@xxxxxxxxxx>
Cc : ops-dir@xxxxxxxx; detnet@xxxxxxxx; draft-ietf-raw-technologies.all@xxxxxxxx; last-call@xxxxxxxx
Objet : RE: Opsdir last call review of draft-ietf-raw-technologies-10
Indeed.
We are sending an LS to 3GPP:
https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/detnet/A2ko_G738sT_4a3l2jOw91qrpSQ/
As for IEEE 802.11 and 802.15:
There is a coordination team between the IETF and IEEE 802:
https://datatracker.ietf.org/group/ietfieee/about/
The subject was discussed at the last call of the team. The team concluded that instead of a formal LS, IEEE 802.11 and 802.15 WG will be informed about draft-ietf-raw-technologies and suggested to send comments to DetNet
WG if any.
This is under coordination Item 25: Layer 2/Layer 3 Interaction for Time-Sensitive Traffic
Minutes are available at:
minutes-interim-2024-ietfieee-03-202410231600-00.md
Regards,
Janos
Salut Pascal,
Many thanks for taking care of the comments. This version is much more better.
I guess the only pending comment is on the hands of the Chairs/AD:
> ## Liaise with material owners
>
> The material included in various sections is owned by other SDOs.
> Unless this is already done, it would be reasonable to send LSes to at
> least 3GPP/IEEE to review relevant sections.
Cheers,
Med
> -----Message d'origine-----
> De : Pascal Thubert <pascal.thubert@xxxxxxxxx>
> Envoyé : dimanche 20 octobre 2024 16:47
> À : BOUCADAIR Mohamed INNOV/NET <mohamed.boucadair@xxxxxxxxxx>
> Cc : ops-dir@xxxxxxxx;
detnet@xxxxxxxx; draft-ietf-raw-
> technologies.all@xxxxxxxx;
last-call@xxxxxxxx
> Objet : Re: Opsdir last call review of draft-ietf-raw-
> technologies-10
>
>
> Hello Med:
>
> It took a few publications but I believe your comments related to
> the document are now addressed.
>
> Please let us know. Again many thanks for your in-depth review !
>
> A bientôt;
>
> Pascal
>
> > Le 10 sept. 2024 à 15:46, Mohamed Boucadair via Datatracker
> <noreply@xxxxxxxx> a écrit :
> >
> > Reviewer: Mohamed Boucadair
> > Review result: Has Issues
> >
> > Hi authors,
> >
> > Many thanks for the effort put into this document along several
> years.
> >
> > I reviewed the document from an ops-dir review, but I also have
> more
> > general
> > comments:
> >
> > # OPS
> >
> > Although mentioned too late in the document (security section),
> the
> > document says explicitly that it does not include any ops
> > considerations. It is fair to set that scope given the rich
> content of
> > the document and main objective to describe technologies
> themselves.
> > However, such mention should be included early in the document.
> >
> > There are ops considerations that are applicable to scheduling
> > resources in general, path computation, or synchronization
> matters.
> > Nevertheless, given that the objectives is not to provide
> > recommendations about the various technologies, I would not ask
> the
> > authors to add NEW text with these considerations for each
> technology. That would be over-specifying here.
> > Instead, the authors may include relevant pointer are readily
> > available. This is not even needed with the suggested note about
> ops
> > considerations are not in scope.
> >
> > The document includes an OAM section for one specific
> technology, but
> > that section is too brief and does include up-to-date specific
> > pointers. Cited documents are generic or expired since a while.
> >
> > # Generic
> >
> > ## Target audience/consumer of this material
> >
> > I know that it is frustrating to receive this kind of comments
> after
> > many years of effort maintaining this doc, but I sincerely think
> that
> > the document lacks some words to explain the rationale of
> collecting
> > this material and how this is intended to be used in the IETF.
> This
> > clarification is specifically needed as some of the text needs
> some
> > refresh (see next point). Including such text will also help
> > understanding the value of publishing this as an RFC (which I
> suspect this might be questioned by some).
> >
> > ## Stale/Need to refresh
> >
> > The text includes stale text (e.g., pointer to specs that
> expired
> > several years ago, text that won't age well, text that need to
> be
> > refreshed to reflect progress (or lack of progress in cited
> SDOs). I
> > tagged some off those in my review, but I can't claim that I
> tagged all of them.
> >
> > The text can be cleaned in several places to avoid what can be
> seen as
> > speculating or over-selling some efforts.
> >
> > ## Liaise with material owners
> >
> > The material included in various sections is owned by other
> SDOs.
> > Unless this is already done, it would be reasonable to send LSes
> to at
> > least 3GPP/IEEE to review relevant sections.
> >
> > # Detailed review
> >
> > A more detailed review can be found using the following links:
> >
> > * pdf:
> >
>
https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url="">
> gith
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> Reviews%2Fblob%2Fmaster%2F2024%2Fdraf
> > t-ietf-raw-technologies-10-
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> >
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> >
> > Feel free to grab whatever you think useful for the document.
> >
> > Hope this helps.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Med
> >
> >
> >
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