Re: llc/iesg: query about IETF120 and Visas

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Hi George,
At 12:19 AM 02-10-2024, George Michaelson wrote:
I think you over estimate how "special" we are. Engineering is a very common subject for Iranians, and the Iranian diaspora is routinely ring-fenced from venues in the US with training reactors for instance. Anyone in electrical engineering going to a meeting with more than a thousand attendees worldwide would be used to Iranian, Syrian, Iraqi engineers being excluded like this. Some Engineering conferences like medical conferences have 5,000 or more participants.

We're not large. We're not unusual. I don't think this level of visible inclusion on sanctions lists is unusual.

Perhaps i misunderstand.

I assume that by "special" you meant that some country would make an exception for IETF participants. I don't think so; I could be wrong.

The is a list of attendees at https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/118/proceedings/attendees/ There wasn't anyone from the countries which you mentioned on the list of attendees. There is another list of attendees at https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/114/proceedings/attendees/ There wasn't anyone from the countries which you mentioned. I don't have any information to believe that attendees from those countries were excluded.

I found the figure unusual as I was relying on a statement which was sent to gendispatch several years ago.

Regards,
S. Moonesamy



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