> On Oct 1, 2024, at 08:04, Jay Daley <exec-director@xxxxxxxx> wrote: > > Hi Mike > >> On 30 Sep 2024, at 21:59, Michael StJohns <mstjohns@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > >> So while I'm happy the paperwork reflects the site (currently) meets our minimums (de jure), I'm concerned that the reality (de facto) of the situation is below our minimums. Either that or our minimums could be incorrectly calibrated. > > The IETF is a global organisation and that means some very, very different views on what is normal, acceptable, etc and navigating this is always going to leave some people thinking the wrong decisions have been made. BCP 226 is quite clear - there are some clear lines that must not be crossed and then a vast sea of complexity that the LLC needs to navigate with some principles to guide it, including "spreading the pain" (RFC 8178 section 2.1) in a proportionate/sensible way. I see this discomfort over what is an acceptable minimum as part of that pain. I'm having some trouble squaring the softer words like "discomfort" and "acceptable" with the quoted text from Michael StJohns which is terrifying. Perhaps the IETF LLC should more prominently advise people from the US and Canada of the dangers that have been highlighted here and may exist for them if they still choose to attend IETF 125 in person. Can you imagine the discomfort we will feel if people have exit bans placed on them or they are thrown in a foreign prison rather than returning home? Thanks, Chris. > Jay > > -- > Jay Daley > IETF Executive Director > exec-director@xxxxxxxx >
