It appears that John C Klensin <john-ietf@xxxxxxx> said: >And how many have been deterred from participating because of how the >IETF does (or does not) handle objectionable behavior and handle it >in a clear, consistent, and, where appropriate, well-explained and >well-documented way? I don't know, ... I don't know either, but I would wager a large amount of money that the number deterred by ambiguous rules about how awful they can be rounds to zero, and is vastly less than the number driven away by our willingness to allow toxic behavior. I'm sure I'm not the only one here who is active in multiple groups that do technical work. (I'm in Kigali now.) Nobody else allows the kind of stuff we do, and it is obvious from just looking around how different the demographics are. R's, John -- last-call mailing list -- last-call@xxxxxxxx To unsubscribe send an email to last-call-leave@xxxxxxxx