+1Lloyd Wood lloyd.wood@xxxxxxxxxxx On 12 Jun 2024, at 16:20, Watson Ladd <watsonbladd@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
While this thread is valuable it's approaching and length and topic drift that make me think moving it back to IETF@ would make sense.
Yes. Building better community muscle around conflict resolution skills
would be a Good Thing. But even if we built that up as an exceptional
organizational strength, it doesn't obviate the need to take more stern
action when behavior crosses lines that materially impacts the work the
IETF does, including behavior that risks driving away entire
demographics from participating.
That's not nitpicking; that's emergency triage.
/a
On 6/12/2024 1:05 AM, Toerless Eckert wrote:
> I think that its really hard for the community at large to have opinions,
> except for those with this undocumented anecdotal memory. My preoccupation is
> that a lot of these behavior isues develop and grow because of the impersonal
> nature of public mailing lists and are a lot easier to avoid and resolve with more human
> friendly forms of interactions. Still then, they do require fast and good reaction
> by others of course (WG-chairs for example). Conflict resolution (training)
> might actually not be a bad topic for a WG-chairs lunch. And thats broader and
> hence IMHO more useful than nitpicking on the respectively few extreme cases..
>
> Cheers
> Toerless
>
> On Wed, Jun 12, 2024 at 12:45:38AM -0500, Adam Roach wrote:
>> On 6/12/2024 12:18 AM, Toerless Eckert wrote:
>>> How common is it actually that "bad behavior" as discussed here
>>> actually negatively impacted the resulting technical output of the
>>> IETF ?
>>
>> It is impossible to take inventory of the contributions that would have come
>> from people who have been pushed away from participating in the IETF by the
>> hostile actions of bad actors. My intuition is that the IETF has lost
>> significant input, and that its work output is suffering as a consequence.
>>
>> /a
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