Graham, One comment... more, perhaps to come, or already covered by others. --On Monday, 06 September, 2004 12:31 +0100 graham.travers@xxxxxx wrote: > All, > > My two cents worth... > > 1. I'm inclined to prefer option A or B, on the grounds of > keeping things simple ( BUT see point 4, below ). >... > 5. Section 3.1 of Carl's Report ( Page 20 ) states > "Evaluation of applicants might consist of a search committee > appointed by the IETF Chair." Isn't the appointment of > committee members what the IETF empowers the Nomcom for ? >... That provision worries me a great deal, and not because of "what the Nomcom is for". In the IETF community, we have, predominantly, a group of people whose expertise is in various aspects of Internet protocol design (including their security, operational, and other implications). We do not have a community of professional executive-level managers with extensive line budgetary and contractual experience. Indeed, if significant numbers of those people started showing up at meetings or otherwise actively participating in the IETF's standards work, much of the community would consider it a source of significant anxiety (just as we get anxious about excess quantities of marketing types, professional process-oriented standardizers, lawyers, etc.). But the Nomcom membership is supposed to reflect a random sample of the community: if the community doesn't contain those skills and experiences in significant quantities, neither will the Nomcom. Clearly, it is an open question as to whether a Nomcom on which those skills are not heavily represented would be able to make good selections of people who are expected to exercise those skills: it is possible, but I'd find basing our future on that idea very uncomfortable (and more uncomfortable the more autonomy the Administrator is expected to have). Giving the IETF Chair the appointment power might help with this, especially if some consultation process were required. At least the IETF Chair is not chosen at random and, assuming the Nomcom does its job, can be reasonably expected to have leadership skills above the community average. But the same observations more or less still apply: we don't pick IETF Chairs for that group of skills, nor for recognizing them, nor for having contacts and knowledge of communities from which either good candidates or good candidate-selectors might come. If we expect the IETF Chair (or the IAB Chair, or the IAB and/or IESG as a whole) to have the fiscal and formal relationship management skills needed to hire, manage, or aggressively oversee the Administrator (or the type of models contemplated in the document more generally), we are imposing additional constraints and tasks on positions that are already too time-consuming and too hard to fill and about which the Nomcom may not have the perspective needed to make good decisions. And I think that is pretty scary. john _______________________________________________ Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf