On 22 Mar 2024, at 15:02, S Moonesamy wrote:
Hi Pete, John,
At 07:25 PM 16-03-2024, Pete Resnick wrote:
But this seems to me too high a burden. If a chair wants to make an
exception, they should be empowered to do so and not make this depend
on an AD OK, particularly right before a meeting where ADs have lots
of other things to deal with. And if a chair or an AD is not directly
involved, there is no reason an author shouldn't be able to submit a
document that has nothing to do with a WG.
The WG Chairs are allowed to make an exception. If I remember
correctly, the AD may have to "push a button" to release the I-D from
the queue.
As far as I know, the WG Chairs still have to ask permission of the AD,
and then the AD must manually ask the secretariat to process the
document; there is no button to push. One part of this is the tool, and
I should probably "put my money where mouth is" and help at the Code
Sprint to write the tooling to make this possible. But the other part of
it is policy, which I think should be made more flexible.
We are using the accident of an old set of circumstances to drive
procedures rather that discussing what we really want out of the
tooling. Please let's stop doing that.
Yes.
Some of the side effects of the accident of history is that the
two-weeks no-I-D window prevents non-WG I-D from being posted and the
I-D flood at the beginning of the meeting week.
Yep. And the fixed two weeks means that there is a flood two weeks
before, where some WG chairs might be OK with one week, or require three
weeks, or be OK with two days before. The accident of history should not
constrain us.
(During a chat last night, Barry reminded me that when a change was
proposed several years ago, some chairs objected to the change
because they did not want the responsibility to allow exceptions and
instead wanted it to be an AD override so they could claim
powerlessness to insistent authors. I find such an argument a sign of
complete dysfunction.)
It's a bit politically unfriendly to take such a decision.
Yes, that's why they "pay us the big bucks". Chairs sometimes have to
make unpopular decisions and say no to pushy authors. I promise to be
supportive.
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