The problem being discussed is not a matter of disliking or liking spam, but rather the problem of solving it. On that note, I agree with Dean Anderson. Everyone hates SPAM, but that is not in question. I think credit should be given to the individual that properly documented the solution and not just to someone that noted an idea. You could contest it saying it was an excrescence of Vixie's work, but the details do not exist in Vixie's work. As noted with Dean, Vixies work is implausible and therefore credit should not be given. All work submitted should be punctilio and of protocol. Nick -----Original Message----- From: ietf-bounces@xxxxxxxx [mailto:ietf-bounces@xxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Thomas Gal Sent: Monday, August 30, 2004 7:12 PM To: 'John Day'; 'Hadmut Danisch'; ietf@xxxxxxxx Subject: RE: How IETF treats contributors I agree with: "This isn't suppose to be an ego trip. If people really think the documents are important, they don't need their names on them. If they need their name on it, they are doing it for the wrong reasons." Not to mention the spirit of removing authorship. In reality I feel like this amounts to removing the title or something else that is so obviuosly a part of a document. Certainly there is no shame in being proud of your work, and nobody can help but feel a little miffed when something they did may have been overlooked. Seems fairly possible however that the people who are most interested in this subject probably know what really maters, and one way or another EVERYONE on the IETF list now knows. The solutions to these kinds of problems have always been in your hands, and YOU are empowered when you choose not to care....or at least let something get under your skin. Isn't the point here that EVERYONE hates spam? -Tom -----Original Message----- From: ietf-bounces@xxxxxxxx [mailto:ietf-bounces@xxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of John Day Sent: Monday, August 30, 2004 4:06 PM To: Hadmut Danisch; ietf@xxxxxxxx Subject: Re: How IETF treats contributors The best solution is to remove all authorship from all Internet standards, then there will be no problems. This isn't suppose to be an ego trip. If people really think the documents are important, they don't need their names on them. If they need their name on it, they are doing it for the wrong reasons. You don't find authors on the output of the standards groups. The most you will find is a list of the membership at the time of approval. Take care, John _______________________________________________ Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf _______________________________________________ Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf _______________________________________________ Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf