Hi Carsten
Thank you for the response (and the irony of sending the email on a non-business day is not lost on me!)
The problem is not necessarily the ‘listening’ but the ‘ideas’ – sometimes it currently feels that the ideas that are presented are on the basis of things that people have been discussing
between themselves away from the IETF itself.
Yes we have side-meetings, pre-BoFs, BoFs, etc. but these two items in Liz’s email are key for me:
Do you have an idea, problem space, or proposal that IETFers and IRTFers should hear about?
Do you want to propose IETF or IRTF work but aren’t sure if your idea is ready or who else will be interested?
What this format offers is a safe space for someone who doesn’t know if their idea is valid, wants some feedback, wants to create a community-of-interest without having to form a
side-meeting, BoF, etc. It makes IETF a lot more inclusive for those who are new to the organisation or maybe want to propose something a little left-field or different. Or just, as many do, feel quite intimidated by the nature of some of the sessions.
I do understand your point though about these presentations stimulating discussion for later in the week and yes, I think having the presentations available on-line is a must, but
often discussions happen at the next IETF following a side-meeting/BoF or by email list so moving to the first business day would seem to be a possibility that broadens inclusion?
David
From:
Carsten Bormann <cabo@xxxxxxx>
Date: Sunday, 15 October 2023 at 16:33
To: Lake, David (PG/R - Comp Sci & Elec Eng) <d.lake@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Cc: Liz Flynn <lflynn@xxxxxxxx>, ietf@xxxxxxxx <ietf@xxxxxxxx>, 118attendees@xxxxxxxx <118attendees@xxxxxxxx>, hotrfc@xxxxxxxx <hotrfc@xxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [118attendees] IETF 118 HotRFC Talk Solicitation
Hi David,
the point of HotRFC is to invite listeners to conversations many of which will happen during IETF week.
So a mid-week event would miss half of those.
Maybe making the recording available very quickly (same Sunday) can solve the problem that you described (and that I have a ton of sympathy for).
Grüße, Carsten
> On 2023-10-15, at 15:47, David Lake <d.lake=40surrey.ac.uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> <Old curmudgeon mode>
>
> The HotRFC idea is great but in the spirit of making it more accessible, personally I try not to carry out business functions (including travel for business unless absolutely necessary) over a weekend in order to minimise the amount of time away from family/other
interests in the pursuit of a good work/life balance…
>
> Personally, I’d like to see something like this at a lunch time or evening event during the week. With IETF 118 being closer-to-home that most for me, it is a real bonus that I can travel on Monday and get home on Friday rather than having to eat into one,
potentially two weekends.
>
> How about holding a second outing for the HotRFC mid-week early evening (6/7 pm)?
>
> </Old curmudgeon mode>
>
> David
>
> From: 118attendees <118attendees-bounces@xxxxxxxx> on behalf of Liz Flynn <lflynn@xxxxxxxx>
> Date: Friday, 13 October 2023 at 23:27
> To: ietf@xxxxxxxx <ietf@xxxxxxxx>, irtf-discuss@xxxxxxxx <irtf-discuss@xxxxxxxx>, 118attendees@xxxxxxxx <118attendees@xxxxxxxx>, wgchairs@xxxxxxxx <wgchairs@xxxxxxxx>
> Cc: hotrfc@xxxxxxxx <hotrfc@xxxxxxxx>
> Subject: [118attendees] IETF 118 HotRFC Talk Solicitation
>
> Do you have an idea, problem space, or proposal that IETFers and IRTFers should hear about?
>
> Do you want to propose IETF or IRTF work but aren’t sure if your idea is ready or who else will be interested?
>
> Agenda requests are now being accepted for the Request for Conversation (HotRFC) lightning talk session. Presenters will have 4 minutes to make their case for conversations. Interested folks can contact the presenter and continue the discussion after the
session.
>
> Goals include encouraging brainstorming conversations, helping new work proposers find collaborators, raising awareness of relevant work going on elsewhere, and promoting BarBoFs. Past HotRFC lightning talks have covered a broad range of purposes, including:
>
> • Collaboration: proposals for new standards work or new research topics that haven't been discussed elsewhere, potentially relevant research that may be ready for the IETF
> • Notification: new topics on the agenda in a BOF, working group or research group, especially cross-area IETF work
> • Enlightenment: updates on relevant technologies, industry advances that could affect IETF participants.
> With strict time limits, concise talks will give viewers a sense of whether they’d like to know more and, importantly, coordinates on how to do so.
>
> With the current hybrid IETF meeting format, we’re going to keep things simple and permit only live presentations, either on-site or remote via MeetEcho. Slides must be submitted in advance.
>
> To request a slot, submit a short abstract to hotrfc@xxxxxxxx no later than Friday, 2023-11-03, 2400 UTC that includes the following
>
> • Talk title
> • Presenter, Affiliation, and whether you’ll be presenting in person or remotely
> • Short topic abstract (topics should be IETF- or IRTF-related in some way)
> • What you're looking for (education, collaborators, implementers, etc.)
> • Coordinates to learn more, contact those involved, participate in existing mailing lists and scheduled meetings, and/or relevant formal or side meetings.
> • Any relevant drafts or helpful resources you’d like collaborators to look at
> To provide slides, submit ppt or pdf to hotrfc@xxxxxxxx no later than Saturday, 2023-11-04, 2400 UTC.
>
> • Talk abstracts and slides will be posted on the meeting agenda. The agenda will be updated as requests come in.
> The session will be on Sunday, 2023-11-05, at 1800 local IETF meeting time
>
> • All talks will be presented live, whether in-person or via MeetEcho
> • Video of the session will be recorded for later viewing.
> Spencer Dawkins and Liz Flynn will be hosting the session on-site. We hope you’ll tune in.
>
> -- the HotRFC team
>
> P.s. If you think holding a public side meeting would be useful for people who are interested in your topic, there’s a wiki for that, at
https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url="">.
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