Several people have written me and said, essentially, "not everyone is on the IESG, and _we_ are still fresh on Friday". Ok, that is fair. But we claim that we want cross-area review, more participation by people outside the core of a WG, and fewer late surprises. Those suggestions either require much more significant changes than tuning the schedule (I personally favor changes in those areas, but...) or require designing our schedules around the overloaded. Or we could designate the extra day as reserved for only those sessions that didn't need much external attention. We've tried the latter. It didn't work well, but it might be worth considering again.
Just my thoughts -- and I am still not recovered enough that I am sure I'll believe them at the end of the week.
john
-----Original Message----- From: John C Klensin [mailto:john-ietf@xxxxxxx] Sent: Friday, August 06, 2004 9:31 PM Subject: Re: survey on Friday IETF sessions ... An additional thought about Friday meetings that the survey doesn't capture...
Whether the problem is "Friday" or "after four days", our meetings are intense enough that many of the people who are participating in several WGs, the plenaries, etc., end up in a state by Friday such that they aren't real functional (terms like "wasted" and "zombie" come to mind). Especially since that high-activity group includes all, or almost all, of the IAB and IESG, Friday sessions seem to have rather low productivity or at least discussions that are unusually risky in terms of reaching well-thought-out conclusions.
Many years ago, we tried having the IESG meet Friday mornings (in a meeting slot) to give them an opportunity to reprise the week, identify issues, make plans, highlight things needing cross-area attention, etc. We finally gave it up after noticing that we spent a lot of time staring at each other, unable to form complete sentences and showing other signs of mental exhaustion.
Unless we can figure out a way to reduce the level of exhaustion that comes with our present schedule, I'd question the productivity of adding a full extra day, even if no other considerations applied. For example, I've not in favor of it, but Friday (or fifth-day) sessions would make a lot more sense to me if we dropped all evening sessions, including the plenaries, and moved them into the daytime.
Or perhaps I'm just getting old :-(
john
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