Hi, I agree, but probably is less than $15. What I don't agree is that we don't have sponsors. That's not true, let's say we don't want to accept sponsors ? I offered myself for more than two years to host a meeting in Madrid and another one in Barcelona. I've arranged for the sponsors, following the instructions regarding hosting a meeting in the IETF site. Finally the Secretariat staff visited the proposed venue in Madrid, a very nice hotel 10 minutes from downtown with public transport, and around the same time from the airport. Then confirmed that the venue is the best they have ever seen, not a surprise as this is probably the last big hotel build in Europe (less than 1.5 years ago), with very big meeting rooms and capacity for up to 10.000 people in meetings (enough for us). The only complain was not being in downtown. Also something about the restaurants nearby, but there are a few at walking distance, and the hotel has enough meeting rooms and kitchens to add as many additional restaurants as tastes we may have ! Now, I'm somehow (very) disappointed, because San Diego is very nice, yes, but we aren't in downtown, we don't have food choices, and is VERY expensive compared to Madrid. So what's going on ? In Madrid, we have public transport every 10 minutes in the hotel door (yes the door, not away from that), I also offered a free shuttle, and taxis are quite cheap. There is also a free shuttle to the airport (it takes 12-15 minutes). So it was a kind of excuse ? By the way, the hotel has free IPv6 connectivity in every room, since we installed it in May 2003 (first one in the world as I know). I think the venue selection process is somehow obscure and not democratic. But may be is my view only :-(((( ... I already mention this previously in this list, but it seems we don't care. Just wondering if is my wrong perception ? Regards, Jordi PS: And yes, we of course plan to provide a nice t-shirt ! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony Hansen" <tony@xxxxxxx> To: <ietf@xxxxxxxx> Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2004 10:00 PM Subject: T-shirts, and some suggestions for future ietf meetings > I know, this isn't the most important issue in the world. But, I want to > say that I miss the IETF meeting T-shirts. As confirmed by Harald at > tonight's plenary, the T-shirts are normally paid for by the sponsor. > And since we don't have a sponsor here, there was no T-shirt. > > The first time in recent years that we almost didn't have a sponsor was > in Adelaide (IETF 47, March 2000). We got down there, there were > problems with the original sponsor and lots of scrambling occurred. > Among the other things that occured was that there was no T-shirt handed > out when we registered. (Later on in the week, the people who stayed to > the end of the plenary were surprised with shirts, collared even. But > that doesn't the affect the rest of the story.) > > So, what happened? In true IETF fashion, a bar BOF met, designed a > T-shirt, and made arrangements with a T-shirt shop a couple of blocks > from the convention center. Those people who wanted a T-shirt walked > over there, picked a T-shirt color, put in an order, paid their money, > and got a shirt a couple of days later. (It's definitely one of my most > favorite IETF shirts.) I don't know exactly how many people wound up > ordering their shirt this way, but I know the owner worked numerous > overtime hours to meet the demand. > > A few salient points can be garnered from the above: many people are > willing to pay extra to get their IETF T-shirt, and there are people who > are willing to work on T-shirt designs. > > In DC, IETF 61, we have a sponsor scheduled. So we'll likely have > T-shirts. Thank you Alcatel! > > Here's a suggestion for IETF 61: modify the registration web page to let > people specify the size of the T-shirt they'd like to get. Usually, a > sponsor has to estimate the number of people who want each T-shirt size. > This leads to overbuys of some sizes and underbuys of other sizes. And > it leads to some people being dissatisfied with the sizes that they were > forced to receive. > > Continuing this thought, here's a suggestion for the next IETF meeting > that doesn't have a sponsor, whether it's IETF 62 or some future > meeting: Take that part of the registration form that asks for T-shirt > size and add one more choice: none. Then charge the people who pick a > T-shirt an extra $15 to cover the cost of the shirt, and those that > don't want it won't pay for it. > > Then beforehand, set up a mailing list for those interested in designing > the shirt, exchanging designs, and picking one out. I'm sure you'll get > enough takers to do it. > > Tony Hansen > tony+ietf@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > > _______________________________________________ > Ietf mailing list > Ietf@xxxxxxxx > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf > ********************************** Madrid 2003 Global IPv6 Summit Presentations and videos on line at: http://www.ipv6-es.com This electronic message contains information which may be privileged or confidential. The information is intended to be for the use of the individual(s) named above. If you are not the intended recipient be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this information, including attached files, is prohibited. _______________________________________________ Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf