Hi Carsten, Brian, all, Believe me, I tried. I did also speak at the plenary… nothing changed. I just got treated even worst… My experience thought me that it is not worth it until the bad apples are removed … which will never happen because personal connections and talks behind the scenes seem to trump everything else… I know it is disappointing, unfortunately the IETF experience means different things to different people… and I have been an enthusiastic IETFer and contributor for nearly 30 years … Not worth speaking up… Cheers, Max > On Jul 14, 2023, at 10:01 PM, Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > On 15-Jul-23 07:17, Carsten Bormann wrote: >>> On 14. Jul 2023, at 20:37, Dr. Pala <madwolf@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: >>> >>> Having being subject of such exclusion tactics that were not properly addressed by the chairs >> If you don’t like what the chairs are doing, please speak with the ADs. > > And read the appeals section of RFC2026: https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc2026.html#section-6.5 > >> But more generally: >> The last two messages seem to imply that there are corners in the IETF that are not as tranquil as I’m experiencing. >> If there are any such issues, they cannot be discussed in the abstract. >> Unless we know what actually happened, we cannot discuss remedies. > > Correct. An appeal (and the eventual IESG or IAB response) is a manifestation of this. > > Regards, > Brian Carpenter >> Grüße, Carsten
