Jeroen Massar > You are forgetting something very big here: > Only the smart internet users will find a way out. The argument that the smart users can use IP over HTTP makes John's classifications such as "web providers" unnecessary. > Also the above requires on to tunnel thus you are getting real service > from somebody else and basically using your current provider as the l2 > provider. There are a lot of Hotels claiming Internet capable only because their rooms have extra RJ-11. At Geneva, Internet capable hotel rooms have RJ-45, not for Ethernet but for ISDN. :-| IETF can not stop them claiming Internet capable. So, let's call all the telephone companies ISPs. Smart users can, just like having VPN servers, have modems at home to establish dial-up connection to the Internet from any PSTN telephone in the world. Masataka Ohta _______________________________________________ Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf