> From: Markus Stumpf > You have a contract. This should be listed in the contract and you > can read it before signing it. If the contract doesn't talk about > limits and they do limit you, sue them. Sue on what grounds? Who says that Internet service has no limits? All reputable service providers have terms of service that include limits, starting with something about network abuse. (Never mind how well those limits are enforced.) Many service providers limit their users to not running "servers," but good luck finding someone who knows what they mean by "server." Since there are always providers, you can't sue simply because you bought an account with limits you failed to clarify. Trying to find first line technical support people (never mind sales) at a consumer grade ISP who knows has any idea what sort of filtering their employer does is hopeless. It's generally foolish to expect to find someone who even understands the question. > (And, btw, some of the statements are incorrect. > > - Some providers intentionally cut their customers > > off after 24 hours in order to force them to have > > a new IP address. (Some "DSL modems" including the Actiontec 1524 kill TCP connections after an hour or two all by themselves) > You have to look at what they sell. They sell "DSL Surf Accounts". > Surfers usually aren't online for 24 hours without interuption and > they don't have problems with the interupt in "normal use". If you get a > "business access" you will not have the problem in most of the cases. I've not seen anyone selling "DSL Surf Accounts," but I've never looked, and certainly not in Germany. In any case, - which of the classes in http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-klensin-ip-service-terms-02.txt is closest to a "DSL Surf Accounts"? - Should one of those four categories be renamed "DSL Surf Accounts"? - Should a new class named be "DSL Surf Accounts" be added? - exactly what filtering is imposed on a "DSL Surf Account"? Is port 25 filtered? 22? 135 and 138? Some or all UDP? ICMP? - and the same questions for "business access." Telling people to read contracts ISP today is disingenuous. If the IETF would define "DSL Surf Accounts" and "business access," then you could hope to ask for one or the other. You might then sue if you didn't get whichever you wanted. Vernon Schryver vjs@xxxxxxxxxxxx _______________________________________________ Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf