Re: [Last-Call] [Ext] [DNSOP] Genart last call review of draft-ietf-dnsop-rfc5933-bis-10

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Hello, Warren

Just uploaded the 12th version. The only change is status of GOST R 34.11-94 -- DEPRECATED.

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Boris

23.10.2022 18:20, Warren Kumari пишет:




On Fri, Oct 21, 2022 at 2:54 PM, Warren Kumari <warren@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Wed, Oct 19, 2022 at 12:41 PM, Warren Kumari <warren@kumari.net> wrote:
On Wed, Oct 19, 2022 at 7:22 AM, Paul Hoffman <paul.hoffman@icann.org> wrote:

On Oct 18, 2022, at 7:58 AM, Ron Even <ron.even.tlv@gmail.com> wrote:

1. whis is this an informational RFC and not a standard track RFC.

That's a reasonable question with a simple answer: because the WG changed its mind on what the status of this protocol should be. RFC 5933 describes a national standard that is thinly deployed. At the time, it was necessary to have the protocol on standards track; now it no longer is required.

2. What is requested from IANA. ths text you wrote and I copied is not a directive to IANA that is clear

You are correct that the IANA Considerations section is quite unclear, and needs to be clarified before the IESG considers it.



That is a good point.

The document says: 
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This document updates the RFC IANA registry "Delegation Signer (DS) Resource Record (RR) Type Digest Algorithms" by adding an entry for the GOST R 34.11-2012 algorithm:

      Value   Algorithm
      TBA2    GOST R 34.11-2012

   The entry for Value 3, GOST R 34.11-94 should be updated to have its Status changed to '-'.
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The IANA registry being referenced "DNSSEC Delegation Signer (DS) Resource Record (RR) Type Digest Algorithms" is here: https://www.iana.org/assignments/ds-rr-types/ds-rr-types.xhtml

Setting this to '-' does seem incorrect, and from the text I think that it should be either "MUST NOT" or, better yet (for clarity) "DEPRECATED" . 
 
In addition, the IANA has a question:
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"Third, in the DNSSEC Delegation Signer (DS) Resource Record (RR) Type Digest Algorithms registry located at:


a new registration will be made as follows:

Value: [ TBD-at-Registration ]
Description: GOST R 34.11-2012
Status:
Reference: [ RFC-to-be ]

IANA Question --> What should the entry for "Status" be for this new registration?"
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I believe that it is clear (e.g: "6.  Implementation Considerations
   The support of this cryptographic suite in DNSSEC-aware systems is
   OPTIONAL.") that it can only be OPTIONAL, but we need to clearly state that. 

So, I think a new version should be submitted saying: 
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This document updates the RFC IANA registry "Delegation Signer (DS)
   Resource Record (RR) Type Digest Algorithms" by adding an entry for
   the GOST R 34.11-2012 algorithm:

      Value:   TBA2
      Description: GOST R 34.11-2012
      Status: OPTIONAL
      Reference: [ RFC-to-be ]

   The entry for Value 3, GOST R 34.11-94 should be updated to have its
   Status changed to 'DEPRECATED'.

A new version was submitted (-11), but still says:
"   The entry for Value 3, GOST R 34.11-94 should be updated to have its
   Status changed to '-'."


'-' to me implies that the codepoint hasn't  been used, but I don't actually know if that's true. I think "DEPRECATED" is better, but perhaps I'm wrong (anyone seeing '-' will presumably do read the referenced RFC, so…_)

I will ask the IANA which they think is best / clearest…

Closing the loop:

I reached out to the IANA, and this was their reply:
"Hi Warren,

It makes sense to us to list "DEPRECATED" in the status column. When we're asked to deprecate a codepoint, the label "deprecated" is usually added to the registration in some way.

"-" is a bit of a cipher, and doesn't indicate that there's been a change.

thanks,
Amanda
"

If the authors post a new version before the draft cut-off (Monday) with this addressed I should be able to move it along.

Thank you all,
W




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--Paul Hoffman


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