On 10/7/22 09:02, Ted Lemon wrote: > It is an organization that we participate in professionally, so it is a > professional organization. It is not a social group. Hobbyists are welcome > to participate, but it's reasonable for us to expect that they behave > professionally. As someone who pay from my own pocket to participate in the IETF, I suppose that I am part of that "them" that you clearly separate from the "us". You know, up to this point, I tried really hard to understand the point of view of people who felt rejected by the IETF, but it was a bit theoretical to me. With that condescending response I can now relate to that point of view. So, thank you? > > On Fri, Oct 7, 2022 at 11:38 AM Marc Petit-Huguenin <marc@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > wrote: > >> On 10/7/22 07:30, Ted Lemon wrote: >>> Precisely. The reality of communication, particularly communication with >>> strangers, is that you MUST assume that what you say will be taken >>> literally. And if you say something that, taken literally, is offensive, >>> /you/ are responsible for giving offense, not the person who >> misunderstood >>> your intent. Of course we all can stand to be careful not to needlessly >>> take offense, and of course we all want to think of each other as friends >>> who understand each other. >>> >>> But in order for a diverse community to be inclusive, certain best >>> practices must be followed. One of these is: always speak literally. >> Never >>> try to convey information ironically. That may be how you interact with >>> your friends, and that's fine. But this is a professional organization >> that >>> does work, not a kaffeeklatsch where we hang out for pleasure. Even if >> you >> >> When did the IETF became a professional organization? (for reference, ACM >> *is* a professional organization). >> -- Marc Petit-Huguenin Email: marc@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Blog: https://marc.petit-huguenin.org Profile: https://www.linkedin.com/in/petithug
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