John, my point is that those in leadership positions can't afford to wear blinkers. odd to see senior contributors say 'oh, I muted dan years ago'. that just lets the problem fester. if you're on the iesg, you're on the ietf list, and expected to read it. But we've also already seen how a chair who didn't like reading that list expressed their personal preferences. The Sergeants at Arms became their personal immediate filtering and muting mechanism. As opposed to, say, clicking 'mute thread'. I'd prefer that the iesg discussed and reached rough consensus on serious actions to be taken on contributors, on a timescale somewhere between trigger-happy and torpid. If comparing personal thread/person muting filters is one useful input there, so be it. Lloyd Wood lloyd.wood@xxxxxxxxxxx so, Dan didn't make any friends in the ietf, then? > On 3 Oct 2022, at 03:59, John C Klensin <john-ietf@xxxxxxx> wrote: > > Lloyd, I suggest that, if that group of people, but especially > the IESG, start muting those whose messages they don't like > --for any reason-- we go rapidly down the slippery slope toward > having no opinions count that don't agree with the preferences > of those in "the leadership".
