On Thu, Aug 25, 2022 at 09:45:04AM -0400, Keith Moore wrote: > Paul, > > I disagree with most of your assertions, and don't believe further > conversation with you on this topic is likely to be productive. I believe > my own experience over your assertions. Keith, As one old IETF'er to another... for what it's worth, my experience matches up with Paul, and not yours. And so your continued set of assertions without any data to back them up is not convincing to me either. Given the current IETF consensus in support of the current list moderation procedure, if you would like to change the current consensus, I would argue that the burden of proof is on *you*, which means your arguments would be much more likely to bear fruit if you could give hard data, and not just "but these are my personal experiences" and general argumentation in the abstract without any specifics. As engineers know, life is always about tradeoffs, and that means we need to work from real world scenarios and look at the tradeoffs of any particular process or proposal. Best regards, - Ted
