On 6/22/22 15:29, Joel Halpern wrote:
Keith, in my and many other people's experience, in an open forum, if
rudeness is not policed, and more importantly not publicly objected to
when it occurs, it will occur more and more often and get worse.
I understand your objection to the abstract "rudenss". So, for me, I
am happy to replace that with more specific behavioral descriptions
such as "objecting to the person instead of the technical point", and
probably other similar descriptions. From what I can tell from your
email, even with more specific terms of reference you object to having
such restrictions enforced. In an ideal world, I might agree with
you. But as far as I can tell that is not the world we live in.
To some extent we simply disagree. I have yet to see policing of
rudeness that's not counterproductive, and often worse. And it gives
yet another tool to those who play dirty in IETF - who use such
accusations as ways to avoid arguing ideas on their technical merits or
lack thereof.
And I've seen years' worth of good people's good work destroyed in this
way. Yes, in IETF.
But I'd be more-or-less fine with a rule against "objecting to the
person instead of the technical point". The point is, mere vague
"rudeness" is not a good reason to sanction someone. There are too many
kinds of input that some people consider "rude" that are arguably necessary.
Keith
