Re: Gun control at IETF 114

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On Jun 8, 2022, at 1:02 AM, tom petch <daedulus@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

On 07/06/2022 00:06, touch@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
FWIW - the venue itself may have additional restrictions.

Note that “mass shooting” has no single definition, but it typically hinges only on the number of victims and extent of injury. It does not distinguish whether the victims were unintentional or intentional (including the perpetrators themselves), or whether the event was related to other crimes.

Joe

Whenever such an event makes the newspaper headlines, then I always see the explanation that it is defined as four or more people killed and then goes on to mention how many such events have occurred so far this year, in the USA, a figure which is always rather large.

While four deaths is a tragedy, I would have expected a larger figure behind the use of the word 'mass' but that is what it is.

The number “4’ appears to have some consensus (but not unanimity nor foundation), but there remains disagreement about whether the count is of dead vs injured by gunfire and there are numerous exclusions (terrorism, war, driving a vehicle into a crowd, etc.):

E.g., 4 perpetrators robbing a store and being killed by police counts as a “mass shooting” too, even if the perpetrators didn’t have guns.

The point is that a lot of the assumptions about avoidance offered on this list have nothing to do with the definitions in use.

Joe

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