--On Saturday, June 4, 2022 11:08 +1200 Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > On 04-Jun-22 04:27, tom petch wrote: > ... >> >> A new non-WG list was announced yesterday including the text >> 'For additional information, contact the list administrators' >> with no indication who they might be or anywhere where they >> might be identified. >> >> Yes, administrators are elusive. > > The Welcome message after you subscribe is no more helpful > (and even lies: "Normally, Mailman will remind you of your > ietf.org mailing list passwords once every month"). > > If it isn't possible to patch those messages because they are > baked into Mailman, that's another argument why the pages > under our control such as > https://datatracker.ietf.org/list/nonwg should contain the > appropriate contact details. And, as I pointed out yesterday when I commented on the announcement (the reason I added the ART ADs to this distribution) [1], there is actually less, information at https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/cfbl : it not only does not identify the secret administrators, but does not even provide information as to which ADs to bug if one does not want to pick a random one of those as Lars suggested earlier. As a bonus, the explanation of what the list is about is incomprehensible, at least to non-specialists. And this isn't even about abuse or harassment, just about trying to find out what a list is about or asking someone for information on that subject. best, john [1] https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/ietf-announce/mvx73cHdZ1vzovqSWms7QocT2FY/
