Hi, my thoughts are similar to Ben's: On 2022-6-3, at 6:26, John C Klensin <john-ietf@xxxxxxx> wrote: > (1) If someone is feeling abused or harassed in conjunction with > an IETF mailing list, they should have readily-available > information about who to discuss that with. They can always contact any AD, the IESG as a whole, or the IETF Chair. If they feel that is not an option (for any reason), they can also contact the ombudsteam (https://www.ietf.org/contact/ombudsteam/). > (2) The above is particularly important for newcomers and is > important whether perceived abuse is involved or not. It is. I believe what I wrote above is covered as part of the newcomer orientation. > (3) It is important that the IETF (and all of the associated > organizations and groups) maintain the trust of the larger > community ... > Making > things obscure -- even if accidentally and in the name of > efficiency -- tends in the other direction and, sooner or later, > may hurt us and hurt us badly. If you believe the information I gave above is too obscure, what is your suggestion to making it less so? (As a strawman example, we could obviously configure mailman so that a footer is added to all messages to all IETF mailing lists, but that seems like overkill.) Thanks, Lars
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