-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I thought I needed to pay to get to most ITU standards. But I might be wrong. I can't see how personal closed discussions relate to open standardization. Are you saying that you want to have an open process, as long as you have a direct channel to the chairs in that process? I am not following you. I though the standardization for the IETF was done in public, not in private emails with the chairs. And that that was what made the IETF special. - - kurtis - On 2004-05-13, at 18.34, Dean Anderson wrote: > Of course, this is exactly why the third world doesn't want to have the > IETF in charge in its present form. > > Professional and standards organizations aren't private clubs. > > --Dean > > On Wed, 12 May 2004, Kevin C. Almeroth wrote: > >> This pretty much does it for me: anyone who says they are entitled >> to participate in the IETF immediately goes into my spam bucket. >> >> As others have pointed out, you've done yourself more harm than good. >> >>>> I'm entitled to particpate, and I'm entitled to send email to the WG >>>> chairs as a participant. >>>> >>>> One thing I've noticed is that of none of the people criticizing me >>>> has >>>> thought to address the fact that OUR ADDRESS SPACE IS NOT HIJACKED, >>>> and >>>> that these people associated with the IETF: Paul Vixie, Joe Abley, >>>> Bill >>>> Manning, and Rob Austein as WG Co-chair in his role for IETF >>>> business, all >>>> claim that it is. But anyone can plainly see they are lying. >>>> >>>> Dean Anderson >>>> Av8 Internet, Inc >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Ietf mailing list >>>> Ietf@xxxxxxxx >>>> https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf >>>> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Ietf mailing list > Ietf@xxxxxxxx > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 8.0.3 iQA/AwUBQKisgqarNKXTPFCVEQLJrQCgoc/TPKrlLx7QUTXsjkIkjZ8kVVsAn07g f8jJEq6KM4+sTZqp01ScKraY =KuSS -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________________ Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf