Just my 2c on one aspect for the discussion about the lacking amount of accepted nominations to leadership position on this years Nomcom process: Maybe i am not reading the right mailing lists, but: I am not aware of any public mailing list discussion as to whether the pre-covid leadership bodily presence requirements should indeed be the requirements going forward. I can observe that at jobs thats delivering a paycheck (aka: not IETF), certain roles where never considered appropriate for full-remote workers and that has changed due to covid. I can also easily see how existing IETF leadership body members themselves would really prefer to return to the old normal, but i am a lot more uncertain if those body members past-experience based preferences should really be the sole leading guidance for our NomCom preferences. Right now they are, aka: NomCom would not accept candidates who would only be able to participate remotely based on those existing body members prescribed preferences. Personally i think that if we do not try even a single-term experiment full-time-telecommuting leadership body member NOW, when it is likely that a lot of normal-in-person-meetings will be remote anyhow, then i am certain that we will not do it EVER - unless we really are forced to continue operate fully remotely much much longer. Of course, the inability to attend sometimes in person may not make much of a difference for a job like IESG where arguably the time commitment is the much more difficult requirement to meet, but IMHO it would be perfectly valid to experiment with full-time-remote IAB membership for example. And outside of NomCom leadership equally for WG chairs. Of course, i am quite biased towards thinking that remote participationship is not a problem if just tooling is good enough; and we have a 30 year history of building protocols, networks, tools an recommendations for it. Do i prefer in-person attendance ? Very much so. But for leadership i would also like to see more diversity, and especially for possible candidates from academia and a more diverse part of the industry that where the candidate but not the sponsor is valuing the IETF engagement, IMHO air travel will become more and more an issue than it was 30..20 years ago, when i think we had more diverse participation (e.g.: more from universities for example). Cheers Toerless