On 20/09/2021 13:55, Phillip Hallam-Baker wrote:
I don't think there is any value to be had in the game of guessing which
country will be more or less open to visitors in nine months time.
Any country can shut down with little or no notice. And it is not just
stopping people in that is the issue, it is people unable to get back home.
There are still people who have been unable to get home from the 2020
lockdowns.
And my sense from earlier discussions is that the planning horizon for
IETF meetings is more like three years than nine months.
As John's follow-up suggested, it may be that we do not meet in person
for some years and I trust that Jay and co have crunched the numbers as
to what it takes for the IETF to survive that. I also expect that
changing plans in less than three years notice will increase costs.
And whatever the conditions are now, a new, zeta variant, to which some
vaccines do not offer adequate protection, can change the constraints on
travel at a few weeks notice or less.
Difficult, IMHO,
Tom Petch
US regulations have much wider impact than the US. Corporate travel
restrictions tend to be at least as restrictive as the US. It is highly
unlikely that we can have a productive meeting anywhere on the planet while
US travel restrictions are in place.
The people of a certain ideological faith spend a lot of time jabbering
enthusiastically about 'regulatory arbitrage'. In practice, regulation
tends to spread far beyond the sovereign territory it theoretically applies
to. The device you are reading this on is almost certainly RoHS certified
(or pretends to be) despite the fact that this is only a legal requirement
in the EU.
On Mon, Sep 20, 2021 at 1:16 AM Stewart Bryant <stewart.bryant@xxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
I know that it is a long way out, but there seems to be a significant
body of opinion that the US will not open up to travel by the residents of
a significant number of IETF participants until the end of 2022.
Under these circumstances should we not be moving IETF 114 from the USA to
a country that is open to International participation in technical
standards meetings?
Moving a meeting is no small undertaking, and the sooner we take steps to
move to a less restrictive country, the higher the chance that we will have
a face to face rather than virtual meeting.
- Stewart
