-----邮件原件----- 发件人: WGChairs [mailto:wgchairs-bounces@xxxxxxxx] 代表 Brian E Carpenter 发送时间: 2021年9月17日 6:16 收件人: Henk Birkholz <henk.birkholz@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; Michael Richardson <mcr+ietf@xxxxxxxxxxxx>; Carsten Bormann <cabo@xxxxxxx>; Working Chairs <wgchairs@xxxxxxxx>; IETF discussion list <ietf@xxxxxxxx>; tools-discuss <tools-discuss@xxxxxxxx> 主题: Re: [Tools-discuss] Content at notes.ietf.org is not archival On 17-Sep-21 09:14, Henk Birkholz wrote: > Minutes are not the only notes taken at notes.ietf.org. I would stop > using it, if things would simply disappear, obviously. How is this a > good idea? Henk, I may well be old-fashioned, but when I want something to be kept, I keep it: save it on my disk, and make sure it's in a directory that gets backed up routinely. Anybody who used geocities.com knows why. (I'm biased on this question. In about 1993 I tried to persuade Tim Berners-Lee to make an expiry date obligatory for every HTML page. I still think he was wrong to refuse.) [Qin] Create date is more useful than expiry date when you read some blog and trace the history of idea in the HTML page. :-) It's also important to specify this from the start. We probably don't want rough notes to become part of the public record of standards activities, and subject to subpoena. Brian > > > On 16.09.21 23:09, Brian E Carpenter wrote: >> On 17-Sep-21 07:22, Michael Richardson wrote: >>> >>> Carsten Bormann <cabo@xxxxxxx> wrote: >>> >> On 16. Sep 2021, at 09:46, Mark Nottingham <mnot@xxxxxxxx> wrote: >>> >> >>> >> Or, just automatically delete notes 30 days after creation. >>> >>> > (Again, I don’t know whether this was a serious proposal. >> I’ll treat >>> > is as such for the purpose of this message.) >>> >>> Well, I'm serious. >>> I think 30 days might be way too long. >>> >>> WG and design team leaders should know to download minutes at the >>> end of the >>> session. It's not hard. >>> But, in order to train that, the contents needs to disappear within >>> the >> day, >>> and there will be some crying. Some WG session minutes will go away. >> >> One day is too short; back in the good old days, when most of us >> suffered jet lag after each meeting, a week to capture the minutes >> and copy-edit them was hardly enough. But I do agree, this is a major >> duty of WG chairs or secretaries, and needs to be done promptly. >> >> I wouldn't call it notes.ietf.org. I'd call it temp.ietf.org. Or at >> least, put everything in notes.ietf.org/temp/ and move it to >> notes.ietf.org/recycle/ after 30 days and then to /dev/null after >> another 30 days. Something like that, anyway, depending on how it would integrate with HedgeDoc. >> >> Brian >>> >>> > Collecting notes in our own service (as opposed to hackmd.io or Google >>> > docs) gives us more control. Another benefit of having a common >>> > service is that, after a while, everybody knows how to use it >>> and >> we >>> > can integrate it into other tools. >>> >>> Agreed. >>> >>> >>
