Let me first explain why ietf@xxxxxxxx was put in cc:... this is simply because there was a Reply-To: ietf@xxxxxxxx was present in the draft minutes and my brain had not enough coffee to check the recipients before pushing 'Send' :-) All the formal IESG telechats are public (and everyone is welcome as an observer) and the approved minutes are archived at: https://www.ietf.org/about/groups/iesg/minutes/ Back to the OHTTP charter, Francesca, this is indeed what I had in mind (hence the minutes probably needs to be updated on this topic). Of course, this decision does not stop the OHTTP charter to be refined and/or the I-D to progress. Barring big issues at the BoF in July, I expect the OHTTP WG (or the I-D finding another 'home') be created in August. Sorry for the confusion -éric -----Original Message----- From: Francesca Palombini <francesca.palombini=40ericsson.com@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Date: Friday, 18 June 2021 at 11:18 To: Eric Vyncke <evyncke@xxxxxxxxx>, "ietf@xxxxxxxx" <ietf@xxxxxxxx>, The IESG <iesg@xxxxxxxx> Cc: "avezza@xxxxxxxx" <avezza@xxxxxxxx>, "jbui@xxxxxxxx" <jbui@xxxxxxxx>, "cmorgan@xxxxxxxx" <cmorgan@xxxxxxxx>, "lflynn@xxxxxxxx" <lflynn@xxxxxxxx> Subject: Re: DRAFT Minutes of the 06-17-2021 IESG Teleconference That is correct, we agreed that BoF is the way forward, and it was approved as BoF in 6.4. It was my understanding that discussion on the scope for ohttp will continue up to the BoF (hoping the BoF will resolve any outstanding comments), so the charter will stay in IESG evaluation process-wise and won't move forward to external evaluation. I expect the discussion leading up to the BoF to also happen (on ohttp), so that the BoF can be well prepared and productive, so I also plan to keep working on your and other ADs comments with the proponents to get as close as we can to an acceptable charter before the BoF itself. Note that this is not the same as external review, but it is more of the community discussion leading to internal review that I've seen people say they missed. Was that not your understanding Éric? Also - am I responsible for announcing that the chartering is frozen up to the BoF, and encourage more discussion leading to the BoF in the mailing list? Francesca On 18/06/2021, 08:32, "iesg on behalf of Eric Vyncke (evyncke)" <iesg-bounces@xxxxxxxx on behalf of evyncke=40cisco.com@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: May be is it too early in the morning for me, but, I have in mind that for OHTTP the BoF was the way to go ? -éric -----Original Message----- From: iesg <iesg-bounces@xxxxxxxx> on behalf of IESG Secretary <iesg-secretary@xxxxxxxx> Reply-To: "ietf@xxxxxxxx" <ietf@xxxxxxxx> Date: Thursday, 17 June 2021 at 19:56 To: The IESG <iesg@xxxxxxxx> Cc: "avezza@xxxxxxxx" <avezza@xxxxxxxx>, "jbui@xxxxxxxx" <jbui@xxxxxxxx>, "cmorgan@xxxxxxxx" <cmorgan@xxxxxxxx>, "lflynn@xxxxxxxx" <lflynn@xxxxxxxx> Subject: DRAFT Minutes of the 06-17-2021 IESG Teleconference DRAFT*DRAFT*DRAFT*DRAFT*DRAFT*DRAFT*DRAFT INTERNET ENGINEERING STEERING GROUP (IESG) Minutes of the June 17, 2021 IESG Teleconference Reported by: Jenny Bui, IETF Secretariat ATTENDEES --------------------------------- Jenny Bui (AMS) / IETF Secretariat Ben Campbell (Independent Consultant) / IAB Liaison Michelle Cotton (ICANN) / IANA Liaison Martin Duke (F5 Networks Inc) / Transport Area Lars Eggert (NetApp) / IETF Chair, General Area Liz Flynn (AMS) / IETF Secretariat, Narrative Scribe Sandy Ginoza (AMS) / RFC Editor Liaison Benjamin Kaduk (Akamai Technologies) / Security Area Erik Kline (Google) / Internet Area Murray Kucherawy (Facebook) / Applications and Real-Time Area Warren Kumari (Google) / Operations and Management Area Cindy Morgan (AMS) / IETF Secretariat Francesca Palombini (Ericsson) / Applications and Real-Time Area Alvaro Retana (Futurewei Technologies) / Routing Area Zaheduzzaman (Zahed) Sarker (Ericsson) / Transport Area John Scudder (Juniper) / Routing Area Amy Vezza (AMS) / IETF Secretariat Martin Vigoureux (Nokia) / Routing Area Eric Vyncke (Cisco) / Internet Area Robert Wilton (Cisco Systems) / Operations and Management Area REGRETS --------------------------------- Jay Daley / IETF Executive Director Roman Danyliw (CERT/SEI) / Security Area Mirja Kuehlewind (Ericsson) / IAB Chair OBSERVERS --------------------------------- Tim Costello Amy Creamer Bob Hinden Julian Reschke Lee-Berkeley Shaw Greg Wood 1. Administrivia 1.1 Approval of the Minutes The minutes of the June 03, 2021 Teleconference were approved. The Secretariat will place the minutes in the public archives. The narrative minutes of the June 03, 2021 Teleconference were approved. The Secretariat will place the minutes in the public archives. The minutes of the IETF 111 BoF Coordination teleconference were approved. The Secretariat will place the minutes in the public archives. 1.2 Documents Approved since the June 03, 2021 IESG Teleconference 1.2.1 Protocol Actions 1.2.2 Document Actions o draft-ietf-dprive-xfr-over-tls-12 (Proposed Standard) o draft-ietf-payload-vp9-16 (Proposed Standard) 1.3 Review of Action Items NONE DONE: o Zahed Sarker and Michelle Cotton to draft text for prospective Designated Experts on the basics of the IANA request process and "how to be a designated expert." o Robert Wilton to follow up with the IESG on small group project assignments regarding topics identified through the poll taken at the IESG retreat. o Erik Kline to find designated experts for RFC 9031 [IANA #1198928]. IN PROGRESS: o Alvaro Retana, Benjamin Kaduk, and Murray Kucherawy to look at updating the I-D Checklist. o Warren Kumari, Deborah Brungard, Stephen Farrell, and Jay Daley to investigate ways to recruit, recognize, and retain volunteers in the IETF. o Alvaro Retana and Martin Vigoureux to draft a note to wgchairs asking them to always confirm author/contributor status. o Alvaro Retana and Martin Vigoureux to draft text to include in the I-D submission tool warning about too many authors. o John Scudder and Martin Duke to review the document shepherd templates and propose changes to include updated questions and cross-area checks. o Robert Wilton to draft text to expand the document shepherd write-up section on use of YANG Models. o Eric Vyncke and Francesca Palombini to draft text for guidelines/best practices for directorate reviewers. o Murray Kucherawy to update BCP 97 to provide guidance about handling normative references to non-SDO documents. o Murray Kucherawy to find designated experts for RFC 9036 [IANA #1199105]. o Robert Wilton, Alvaro Retana, and Warren Kumari to report back to the IESG on the impact of COVID-19 to the IETF in June 2021. o Lars Eggert to update BCP 45. UPDATED: o The IESG to report on the RFC 8989 experiment after the 2021 NomCom is seated (likely July 2021). NEW: NONE 2. Protocol actions 2.1 WG submissions 2.1.1 New items o draft-ietf-idr-bgp-optimal-route-reflection-26 - IETF stream BGP Optimal Route Reflection (BGP-ORR) (Proposed Standard) Token: Alvaro Retana The document was approved by the IESG pending a final check to be completed by Alvaro Retana. The Secretariat will send a working group submission Protocol Action Announcement. o draft-ietf-httpbis-messaging-16 - IETF stream HTTP/1.1 (Proposed Standard) Token: Francesca Palombini The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve points raised by Benjamin Kaduk.* o draft-ietf-httpbis-semantics-16 - IETF stream HTTP Semantics (Proposed Standard) Token: Francesca Palombini The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve points raised by Benjamin Kaduk.* o draft-ietf-httpbis-cache-16 - IETF stream HTTP Caching (Proposed Standard) Token: Francesca Palombini The document was approved by the IESG pending a new revision. The Secretariat will send a working group submission Protocol Action Announcement once Francesca Palombini confirms that the announcement is ready to be sent. o draft-ietf-payload-rtp-jpegxs-16 - IETF stream RTP Payload Format for ISO/IEC 21122 (JPEG XS) (Proposed Standard) Token: Murray Kucherawy The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve points raised by Zahed Sarker.* 2.1.2 Returning items NONE 2.2 Individual submissions 2.2.1 New items NONE 2.2.2 Returning items NONE 2.3 Status changes 2.3.1 New items NONE 2.3.2 Returning items NONE 3. Document actions 3.1 WG submissions 3.1.1 New items NONE 3.1.2 Returning items NONE 3.2 Individual submissions via AD 3.2.1 New items NONE 3.2.2 Returning items NONE 3.3 Status changes 3.3.1 New items NONE 3.3.2 Returning items NONE 3.4 IRTF and Independent Submission stream documents 3.4.1 New items NONE 3.4.2 Returning items NONE 4. Working Group actions 4.1 WG creation 4.1.1 Proposed for IETF review o Oblivious HTTP (ohttp) Area: SEC (Francesca Palombini) The charter remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve points raised by Zaheduzzaman Sarker, Eric Vyncke, and Robert Wilton.* 4.1.2 Proposed for approval NONE 4.2 WG rechartering 4.2.1 Under evaluation for IETF review NONE 4.2.2 Proposed for approval NONE 5. IAB news we can use 6. Management issues 6.1 [IANA #1197180] Renewing early allocations for draft-ietf-bess-evpn- optimized-ir (IANA) The management issue was discussed. The IESG approved renewing the early allocations for draft-ietf-bess-evpn-optimized-ir. 6.2 [IANA #1197184] Renewing early allocations for draft-ietf-bess-evpn- ipvpn-interworking (IANA) The management issue was discussed. The IESG approved renewing the early allocations for draft-ietf-bess-evpn-ipvpn-interworking. 6.3 [IANA #1198995] Acceptance of media type registration from standards organization ISO/TC 184/SC 4 - Industrial Data (IANA) The management issue was discussed. The IESG asks IANA to process this media-type request, and to add ISO/TC 184/SC 4 - Industrial Data to the 'Standards-related organizations that have registered Media Types in the Standards Tree.' 6.4 IETF 111 BoFs decisions (Secretariat) The management issue was discussed. The IESG approved the following BOF requests for IETF 111: o Application-aware Networking (APN) o DANE for IoT Service Hardening (DANISH) o MAC Address Device Identification for Network and Application Services (MADINAS) o Oblivious HTTP (OHTTP) The IESG will follow up with the proponents for the SCIM Industry Next Steps (SINS) BOF proposal to ask for more information before making a decision about whether to approve it. 6.5 [IANA #1198928] Designated experts for RFC9031 (Erik Kline) The management issue was discussed. The IESG approved Malisa Vucinic <malisa.vucinic@xxxxxxxx> and Michael Richardson <mcr+ietf@xxxxxxxxxxxx> as the designated experts for RFC 9031. 6.6 [IANA #1199105] Designated experts for RFC 9036 (IANA) The management issue was discussed. An action item to find designated experts for RFC 9036 was assigned to Murray Kucherawy prior to the start of the teleconference. 6.7 Finalization on blog on "Unofficial side meetings at IETF meetings" (Lars Eggert) The management issue was discussed. 6.8 [IANA #1199760] Renewing early allocation for draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls- sbfd-extensions (IANA) The management issue was discussed. The IESG approved renewing the early allocations for draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-sbfd-extensions. 6.9 [IANA #1199761] Renewing early allocation for draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls- app-specific-attr (IANA) The management issue was discussed. The IESG approved renewing the early allocations for draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-app-specific-attr. 6.10 [IANA #1199764] Renewing early allocations for draft-ietf-idr- bgpls-srv6-ext (IANA) The management issue was discussed. The IESG approved renewing the early allocations for draft-ietf-idr-bgpls-srv6-ext. 6.11 [IANA #1199765] Renewing early allocations for draft-ietf-lsr- dynamic-flooding (IANA) The management issue was discussed. The IESG approved renewing the early allocations for draft-ietf-lsr-dynamic-flooding. 6.12 [IANA #1199786] Renewing early allocations for draft-ietf-idr-bgp- ls-flex-algo (IANA) The management issue was discussed. The IESG approved renewing the early allocations for draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-flex-algo. 7. Any Other Business (WG News, New Proposals, etc.) ----------------------------------------------- * Please see the Datatracker (https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/) for details on documents that are under discussion by the IESG.
