That is correct, we agreed that BoF is the way forward, and it was approved as BoF in 6.4. It was my understanding that discussion on the scope for ohttp will continue up to the BoF (hoping the BoF will resolve any outstanding comments), so the charter will stay in IESG evaluation process-wise and won't move forward to external evaluation.
I expect the discussion leading up to the BoF to also happen (on ohttp), so that the BoF can be well prepared and productive, so I also plan to keep working on your and other ADs comments with the proponents to get as close as we can to an acceptable charter before the BoF itself. Note that this is not the same as external review, but it is more of the community discussion leading to internal review that I've seen people say they missed.
Was that not your understanding Éric? Also - am I responsible for announcing that the chartering is frozen up to the BoF, and encourage more discussion leading to the BoF in the mailing list?
Francesca
On 18/06/2021, 08:32, "iesg on behalf of Eric Vyncke (evyncke)" <iesg-bounces@xxxxxxxx on behalf of evyncke=40cisco.com@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
May be is it too early in the morning for me, but, I have in mind that for OHTTP the BoF was the way to go ?
-éric
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INTERNET ENGINEERING STEERING GROUP (IESG)
Minutes of the June 17, 2021 IESG Teleconference
Reported by: Jenny Bui, IETF Secretariat
ATTENDEES
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Jenny Bui (AMS) / IETF Secretariat
Ben Campbell (Independent Consultant) / IAB Liaison
Michelle Cotton (ICANN) / IANA Liaison
Martin Duke (F5 Networks Inc) / Transport Area
Lars Eggert (NetApp) / IETF Chair, General Area
Liz Flynn (AMS) / IETF Secretariat, Narrative Scribe
Sandy Ginoza (AMS) / RFC Editor Liaison
Benjamin Kaduk (Akamai Technologies) / Security Area
Erik Kline (Google) / Internet Area
Murray Kucherawy (Facebook) / Applications and Real-Time Area
Warren Kumari (Google) / Operations and Management Area
Cindy Morgan (AMS) / IETF Secretariat
Francesca Palombini (Ericsson) / Applications and Real-Time Area
Alvaro Retana (Futurewei Technologies) / Routing Area
Zaheduzzaman (Zahed) Sarker (Ericsson) / Transport Area
John Scudder (Juniper) / Routing Area
Amy Vezza (AMS) / IETF Secretariat
Martin Vigoureux (Nokia) / Routing Area
Eric Vyncke (Cisco) / Internet Area
Robert Wilton (Cisco Systems) / Operations and Management Area
REGRETS
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Jay Daley / IETF Executive Director
Roman Danyliw (CERT/SEI) / Security Area
Mirja Kuehlewind (Ericsson) / IAB Chair
OBSERVERS
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Tim Costello
Amy Creamer
Bob Hinden
Julian Reschke
Lee-Berkeley Shaw
Greg Wood
1. Administrivia
1.1 Approval of the Minutes
The minutes of the June 03, 2021 Teleconference were approved.
The Secretariat will place the minutes in the public archives.
The narrative minutes of the June 03, 2021 Teleconference were
approved. The Secretariat will place the minutes in the public archives.
The minutes of the IETF 111 BoF Coordination teleconference were approved.
The Secretariat will place the minutes in the public archives.
1.2 Documents Approved since the June 03, 2021 IESG Teleconference
1.2.1 Protocol Actions
1.2.2 Document Actions
o draft-ietf-dprive-xfr-over-tls-12 (Proposed Standard)
o draft-ietf-payload-vp9-16 (Proposed Standard)
1.3 Review of Action Items
NONE
DONE:
o Zahed Sarker and Michelle Cotton to draft text for prospective
Designated Experts on the basics of the IANA request process and
"how to be a designated expert."
o Robert Wilton to follow up with the IESG on small group project
assignments regarding topics identified through the poll taken at the
IESG retreat.
o Erik Kline to find designated experts for RFC 9031 [IANA #1198928].
IN PROGRESS:
o Alvaro Retana, Benjamin Kaduk, and Murray Kucherawy to look at
updating the I-D Checklist.
o Warren Kumari, Deborah Brungard, Stephen Farrell, and Jay Daley to
investigate ways to recruit, recognize, and retain volunteers in the
IETF.
o Alvaro Retana and Martin Vigoureux to draft a note to wgchairs asking
them to always confirm author/contributor status.
o Alvaro Retana and Martin Vigoureux to draft text to include in the I-D
submission tool warning about too many authors.
o John Scudder and Martin Duke to review the document shepherd templates
and propose changes to include updated questions and cross-area
checks.
o Robert Wilton to draft text to expand the document shepherd write-up
section on use of YANG Models.
o Eric Vyncke and Francesca Palombini to draft text for guidelines/best
practices
for directorate reviewers.
o Murray Kucherawy to update BCP 97 to provide guidance about handling
normative references to non-SDO documents.
o Murray Kucherawy to find designated experts for RFC 9036 [IANA
#1199105].
o Robert Wilton, Alvaro Retana, and Warren Kumari to report back to the
IESG on the impact of COVID-19 to the IETF in June 2021.
o Lars Eggert to update BCP 45.
UPDATED:
o The IESG to report on the RFC 8989 experiment after the 2021 NomCom is
seated (likely July 2021).
NEW:
NONE
2. Protocol actions
2.1 WG submissions
2.1.1 New items
o draft-ietf-idr-bgp-optimal-route-reflection-26 - IETF stream
BGP Optimal Route Reflection (BGP-ORR) (Proposed Standard)
Token: Alvaro Retana
The document was approved by the IESG pending a final check to be
completed by Alvaro Retana. The Secretariat will send a working group
submission Protocol Action Announcement.
o draft-ietf-httpbis-messaging-16 - IETF stream
HTTP/1.1 (Proposed Standard)
Token: Francesca Palombini
The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve
points raised by Benjamin Kaduk.*
o draft-ietf-httpbis-semantics-16 - IETF stream
HTTP Semantics (Proposed Standard)
Token: Francesca Palombini
The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve
points raised by Benjamin Kaduk.*
o draft-ietf-httpbis-cache-16 - IETF stream
HTTP Caching (Proposed Standard)
Token: Francesca Palombini
The document was approved by the IESG pending a new revision. The
Secretariat will send a working group submission Protocol Action
Announcement once Francesca Palombini confirms that the announcement
is ready to be sent.
o draft-ietf-payload-rtp-jpegxs-16 - IETF stream
RTP Payload Format for ISO/IEC 21122 (JPEG XS) (Proposed Standard)
Token: Murray Kucherawy
The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve
points raised by Zahed Sarker.*
2.1.2 Returning items
NONE
2.2 Individual submissions
2.2.1 New items
NONE
2.2.2 Returning items
NONE
2.3 Status changes
2.3.1 New items
NONE
2.3.2 Returning items
NONE
3. Document actions
3.1 WG submissions
3.1.1 New items
NONE
3.1.2 Returning items
NONE
3.2 Individual submissions via AD
3.2.1 New items
NONE
3.2.2 Returning items
NONE
3.3 Status changes
3.3.1 New items
NONE
3.3.2 Returning items
NONE
3.4 IRTF and Independent Submission stream documents
3.4.1 New items
NONE
3.4.2 Returning items
NONE
4. Working Group actions
4.1 WG creation
4.1.1 Proposed for IETF review
o Oblivious HTTP (ohttp)
Area: SEC (Francesca Palombini)
The charter remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve
points raised by Zaheduzzaman Sarker, Eric Vyncke, and Robert Wilton.*
4.1.2 Proposed for approval
NONE
4.2 WG rechartering
4.2.1 Under evaluation for IETF review
NONE
4.2.2 Proposed for approval
NONE
5. IAB news we can use
6. Management issues
6.1 [IANA #1197180] Renewing early allocations for draft-ietf-bess-evpn-
optimized-ir (IANA)
The management issue was discussed. The IESG approved renewing the early
allocations for draft-ietf-bess-evpn-optimized-ir.
6.2 [IANA #1197184] Renewing early allocations for draft-ietf-bess-evpn-
ipvpn-interworking (IANA)
The management issue was discussed. The IESG approved renewing the early
allocations for draft-ietf-bess-evpn-ipvpn-interworking.
6.3 [IANA #1198995] Acceptance of media type registration from standards
organization ISO/TC 184/SC 4 - Industrial Data (IANA)
The management issue was discussed. The IESG asks IANA to process this
media-type request, and to add ISO/TC 184/SC 4 - Industrial Data to the
'Standards-related organizations that have registered Media Types in the
Standards Tree.'
6.4 IETF 111 BoFs decisions (Secretariat)
The management issue was discussed. The IESG approved the following BOF
requests for IETF 111:
o Application-aware Networking (APN)
o DANE for IoT Service Hardening (DANISH)
o MAC Address Device Identification for Network and Application
Services (MADINAS)
o Oblivious HTTP (OHTTP)
The IESG will follow up with the proponents for the SCIM Industry Next
Steps (SINS) BOF proposal to ask for more information before making a
decision about whether to approve it.
6.5 [IANA #1198928] Designated experts for RFC9031 (Erik Kline)
The management issue was discussed. The IESG approved Malisa Vucinic
<malisa.vucinic@xxxxxxxx> and Michael Richardson <mcr+ietf@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
as the designated experts for RFC 9031.
6.6 [IANA #1199105] Designated experts for RFC 9036 (IANA)
The management issue was discussed. An action item to find designated
experts for RFC 9036 was assigned to Murray Kucherawy prior to the start
of the teleconference.
6.7 Finalization on blog on "Unofficial side meetings at IETF
meetings" (Lars Eggert)
The management issue was discussed.
6.8 [IANA #1199760] Renewing early allocation for draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-
sbfd-extensions (IANA)
The management issue was discussed. The IESG approved renewing the early
allocations for draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-sbfd-extensions.
6.9 [IANA #1199761] Renewing early allocation for draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-
app-specific-attr (IANA)
The management issue was discussed. The IESG approved renewing the early
allocations for draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-app-specific-attr.
6.10 [IANA #1199764] Renewing early allocations for draft-ietf-idr-
bgpls-srv6-ext (IANA)
The management issue was discussed. The IESG approved renewing the early
allocations for draft-ietf-idr-bgpls-srv6-ext.
6.11 [IANA #1199765] Renewing early allocations for draft-ietf-lsr-
dynamic-flooding (IANA)
The management issue was discussed. The IESG approved renewing the early
allocations for draft-ietf-lsr-dynamic-flooding.
6.12 [IANA #1199786] Renewing early allocations for draft-ietf-idr-bgp-
ls-flex-algo (IANA)
The management issue was discussed. The IESG approved renewing the early
allocations for draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-flex-algo.
7. Any Other Business (WG News, New Proposals, etc.)
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* Please see the Datatracker (https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/)
for details on documents that are under discussion by the IESG.
