On 4/20/21 7:46 PM, Bron Gondwana
wrote:
On Wed, Apr 21, 2021, at 11:31, Michael Thomas wrote:
So against my better judgement, I posted my Quic, the Elephant in the
Room post to the Quic list. Within 24 hours one of the snarling working
group chairs declared it off topic and demanded it stop. This is what I
mean about grotesque fiefdoms where the working groups are so fricking
insular that any commentary outside of their blinders is not tolerated.
The thought that no working group business can take place in the face of
anything other than something directly relatable working group business
is a complete piece of idiocy and shuts down anything they don't want to
hear. People are capable of doing all of this all at once.
Oh cool - thanks for posting that. It's a very instructive thread.
Some general thoughts:
- it's not enough to be technically correct (disclaimer: I'm not well enough versed in this area to know if you are), it's also important to do the work to socialise your idea and persuade others so that they become evangelists for you as well.
- if you require the assistance of others to run experiments for you, it's wise not to piss them off
- there's a whole fallacy somewhere which I've had to address a few times already in my own working groups, but which I still commonly see, along the lines of "big companies have masses of resources and hence can easily run experiments or implement arbitrary ideas - and have an obligation to do so when requested/demanded". They don't, you have to persuade them just as much as anyone else, plus they're slower to move and harder to persuade.
I wasn't making any such assumption, just pointing out that it
was well within the capability of a Google-like company to run an
experiment. Instead I got told that signing their zone is
apparently "boiling the ocean" which to me is astonishing. If you
take that at face value, that is a stunning indictment of DNSSec.
Chrome already did the DANE work once upon a time so DNSSec is
the only missing piece. But the very thought that the number of
packets exchanged in a transport protocol's setup is *off topic*
within 24 hours and a few messages back and forth speaks miles
about how broken many working groups are and why nobody wants to
participate.
Mike
