Dave, [clipped...] > A critical danger in central management is an inherent fragility in > decision-making. Real diversity is lost. This becomes even more > serious, as the central management becomes more homogeneous and more > isolated. On the subject of central management, quoting from the IESG Plenary on Wednesday: IESG Plenary/Open Mike Q: Two questions for both IAB and IESG - individual participation and consensus - are these still important? alternative is participation by companies or governments, and voting... - we believe in these values up to point, at which point the IESG makes a decision - Harald semi-agrees that sometimes a decision is needed and the IESG makes one, but does not agree that IESG can impose its will against a working group - but does IESG try to get community consensus when it makes a decision? So it seems that the IETF traditional motto, "rough consensus and working code" should be revised to make it clear that the "rough consensus" goes only up to a certain point, but after that point the IETF operates solely by a decree from the IESG. Yakov.