Yakov Shafranovich wrote: > This discussion got me thinking about the need to state clearly that the > IETF's goal is not to solve the spam problem. Inadequate design cannot be corrected? The *possibility* of spam is due to an Internet design based on an honor system for the end points. The model being that the connection was less trusted than the end points. Access to the end points was granted under an honor system and usage rules were enforceable. Reality showed that the model was upside down for commercial operation. The end points cannot be controlled and are in fact less trusted than the connection. Anyone can connect to the network. There is no honor system. Usage rules are not enforceable -- users can hide and change their end points. What I read above is denial that the spam problem was made possible by a design developed under the auspices of the IETF. This is good but can I motion that we now move to the second stage of problem solving? Cheers, Ed Gerck