Paul, As has been pointed out, this is a little more complicated than just the choice of client, in particular multicast is not widely available to the "average" Internet user. But I still find it ironic that I can watch a webcast from an ICANN meeting but I am unable to do the same for an IETF meeting (until after the fact). That is but one example. Ole Ole J. Jacobsen Editor and Publisher, The Internet Protocol Journal Tel: +1 408-527-8972 GSM: +1 415-370-4628 E-mail: ole@xxxxxxxxx URL: http://www.cisco.com/ipj On Thu, 4 Mar 2004, Paul Vixie wrote: > > What you are saying is that for religious reasons you are unwilling to > > use FREE and widely used tools in order to help us develop our own. > > well, actually, that's not what i said at all. > > > Next thing you'll be telling me PDF is a bad thing. > > and no, that won't be the next thing i'll tell you. > > > If you want the IETF to be a place where more people can participate > > you need to ditch some of this religion. > > if there were no robust open alternatives i'd be the first to say > "issue an rfp." > >