Paul, This is simply silly. What you are saying is that for religious reasons you are unwilling to use FREE and widely used tools in order to help us develop our own. Next thing you'll be telling me PDF is a bad thing. If you want the IETF to be a place where more people can participate you need to ditch some of this religion. Ole Ole J. Jacobsen Editor and Publisher, The Internet Protocol Journal Tel: +1 408-527-8972 GSM: +1 415-370-4628 E-mail: ole@xxxxxxxxx URL: http://www.cisco.com/ipj On Wed, 4 Mar 2004, Paul Vixie wrote: > > Apart from the "eating our own dogfood" bit ... > > apart from that, we should all stay at our desks and use DECNet-PhaseV > or NetWare to get our work done, and stop trying to create new protocols > that are robust, interoperable, and open. > > in other words there is a big nothing "apart from" that particular thing. > > the fact that realmedia and windowsmedia aren't interoperable means that > we (this community) failed to recognize and address a common need, and > that the world (including this community) is suffering for it. > > compounding this failure by adopting proprietary technology for the primary > work of this community -- which is interior and published communications -- > would be a bad, bad (bad) thing. > -- > Paul Vixie >