> Apart from the "eating our own dogfood" bit ... apart from that, we should all stay at our desks and use DECNet-PhaseV or NetWare to get our work done, and stop trying to create new protocols that are robust, interoperable, and open. in other words there is a big nothing "apart from" that particular thing. the fact that realmedia and windowsmedia aren't interoperable means that we (this community) failed to recognize and address a common need, and that the world (including this community) is suffering for it. compounding this failure by adopting proprietary technology for the primary work of this community -- which is interior and published communications -- would be a bad, bad (bad) thing. -- Paul Vixie