--On Wednesday, January 6, 2021 11:05 +1100 Mark Nottingham <mnot@xxxxxxxx> wrote: > >> On 6 Jan 2021, at 10:57 am, John C Klensin <john@xxxxxxx> >> wrote: > ... >> I suggest that we cross some very unfortunate boundary when >> what appears on a mailing list is equivalent to "anyone who >> does not agree with the reasoning and conclusions reached in >> XYZ needed to speak up". In that regard, it makes no >> difference whether "XYZ" is github, "our last interim meeting >> in a timezone that was inconvenient for some readers", or >> something else -- the effect is exclusionary and makes claims >> of consensus far more dubious. > > I think the same could be said about decisions that are made > on obscure mailing lists -- many developers refuse to > subscribe to them now because of their awful usability > problems. I tend to agree. FWIW, note the relationships between that observation about obscure mailing lists and my December 27 posting about "Fundamental changes in IETF discussions?". john