-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hallam-Baker, Phillip wrote: > > I'm all for eating our own dog food, but IMO workable remote > > access is more > > important. > > The point about eating the dog food is so that you improve it > to the point where it is acceptable. > > I think it is time to accept that the MBONE technology is > fatally flawed and is not going to be deployable. > > Equally flawed and useless are the H.323 protocols that do not > tunnel through NAT or even work with a firewall in a remotely > acceptable fashion. NAT is the big bad dog here, that is what breaks the end to end connectivity. <restart NAT war /> > This thing is not rocket science. There are lots of folk > with the little cameras and the ISPs do not want to have > their bandwidth wasted needlessly. But trying to do multicast > in the network layer has failed. The Internet considers > complexity in the network to be stupidity and does not route > it. Simple solution: IPv6 tunnelbrokers that provide multicast connectivity. 2 bonuses in one go: - IPv6 connectivity, thus anything becomes end-2-end. - IPv6 Multicast connectivity, also to IPv4 using the gateway. Then ISP's only need to upgrade their core network and can leave the access part as what it is. But fortunatly that is not protocol and thus has nothing to do with ietf ;) Greets, Jeroen -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: Unfix PGP for Outlook Alpha 13 Int. Comment: Jeroen Massar / http://unfix.org/~jeroen iQA/AwUBQEaBlymqKFIzPnwjEQLmKwCgrRhtO1VEZ4cLnk8+LSZRw4BwAUEAniem UJqwMRsNdlHmTgHoHmJf2FCp =jN+y -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----