Dr. Jeffrey Race <jrace@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > John, your summary distils a lot of hard work but is deeply troubling, > because it is constructed entirely on a "make the victims pay" > foundation. Frankly I don't see "make the victims pay" in any of the principles. > As long as that is your stance, then sure it is so that "Spam . . . > will remain a long-term battleground". It does, alas, remain the stance of enough people that I fear spam _will_ remain a long-term battleground. (Do enough others disagree? Should I remove that principle?) > A number of us have given this a lot of thought to come up with a > practical solution which requires no new technology and no new > legislation. It has been proven to work within hours. > > Those interested may view an interim document (comments welcome) at > > <http://www.camblab.com/misc/univ_std.txt> That is an implementation plan. I've refused to put implementation plans into the statement of principles; and I stick by that. (When we find the appropriate forum, I'll be happy to comment on your "interim document".) ==== Alas: I look at the clock, and consider the delay of distribution to this list -- I really doubt enough time remains to discuss any more changes. Thus, though I'd really like to add Dave Crocker's principle, and I'm perfectly willing to remove the "long-term battleground" one, I expect to be posting the same document that I posted here at 19:32 EST to the MARID-planning list in twenty minutes or less. Thanks to everyone for a well-informed discussion. -- John Leslie <john@xxxxxxx>