Since when were IETF people operators that used debugging tools? I end up using telnet daily to connect to route servers to debug what is going on. I don't care who is watching me as maybe they can fix the problem for me I am debugging. This thread is some comedy gold though. Sent from my iCar > On Dec 2, 2020, at 7:47 PM, Stephen Farrell <stephen.farrell@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > I don't agree. If we assume the system developer is careless, > then it's easier to recover from such a careless developer > if they misused ssh than if they misused telnet I'd say.