Re: mail signing history, was Call for Community Feedback: Retiring IETF FTP Service

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On 11/18/20 2:04 PM, Stephen Farrell wrote:

Hiya,

On 18/11/2020 21:51, Michael Thomas wrote:

On 11/18/20 1:45 PM, John R Levine wrote:
On Wed, 18 Nov 2020, Ned Freed wrote:
That said, a mechanism for publishing/expiring DKIM private keys is something
the IETF might want to standardize.

I've started to publish my old private keys since I rotate every month but I agree a standard way to tell people where to look would be nice.

Why isn't just deleting/replacing the selector sufficient? It's not as definitive but it's a lot simpler.

Publishing the private key enables various forms of
denyability - if someone claims msg1 is original
anyone with access to the private can produce a
msg2 that seems as cryptographically correct but
is clearly bogus (e.g. containing lottery numbers
that post-date message timestamps).


Yes, i acknowledge that above albeit obliquely. What i don't see is how you align providers goals' with individual users' goals.



Yes an adversary could have gotten an independent
signed timestamp on msg1 before the private was
published but that seems low probability.
It really depends on the worth of the data, right? LEA would certainly do such a thing if they were serveilling somebody.

I'd support development of such a standard if it
had a good chance of deployment as I think it'd
also encourage key rotation.

I forget who said that they were surprised about lack of key rotation, but color me completely unsurprised. This is just inertia 101. Maybe large ESP's might get around to automating key rotation, but for the vast majority enterprise this is going to be pretty low down the priority list, and more likely an anti-goal as tracking whether their employees are misbehaving is a feature not a bug.

Mike




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